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Personally I'm very excited about News+. When News launched I was hoping it would become something like News+ eventually. I think this could be what saves goo

by kokey 8y ago

Personally I'm very excited about News+. When News launched I was hoping it would become something like News+ eventually. I think this could be what saves good journalism, I like to get news from a spread of publications especially with different biases and the existing subscription contracts would make this impossibly expensive.

atombender 8y ago
What disappoints me about Apple News+ is the lack of good UI for long reads, which must surely be the point of including things like the New Yorker. You can save articles, but there's no good UI to queue up what to read and then read them later. I use Pocket for this sort of thing -- seems like a missed opportunity. (Right now you can't even remove magazines after adding them. Really feels like a beta product.)
joegahona 8y ago
What does News+ provide you with, which News did not?
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Full access to the nations leading magazines. New Yorker, The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, etc. I don’t care about those, personally, but they’re some of the best long form writing around.
  - joegahona 8y ago
    All of these magazines are on the free version of Apple News, but I haven’t done a deep-dive into how much of their content is available, so I get it if the “full access” part is important to you. I do wonder how important this is to most people though.
    - toasterlovin 8y ago
      I wonder too. The only reason I think this has any chance in hell of working is that I didn’t think anybody would ever use the non-plus version of News. But they do.
ksec 8y ago
>I think this could be what saves good journalism, What killed Good Journalism was the lack of revenue. And I don't see News+ would save it.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  You’re joking, right? The whole point of News+ is to share the subscription revenue with publishers.
  - jimbokun 8y ago
    Apple takes 50% cut. It’s not clear that’s a better deal for news sources than just monetizing their own paywalls. NY Times and Washington Post certainly think they can do better on their own.
    - ksec 8y ago
      This. I don't have an answer to what could save quality Journalism. But $5 spread between hundreds of publication from Gossip Magazines to Fashion and Entertainments don't sounds too reassuring.
      - toasterlovin 8y ago
        As a point of comparison, the music subscription services are spreading $7/month between thousands of different artists. That seems to be working extremely well. We’re something like ten years into music subscriptions, right? It seems possible to me that ten years of getting people used to paying for news subscriptions could leave journalism in a similar place as the music industry.
        ksec 8y ago
        There is a long tail in Music where Music produced today will still get revenue 10 to 30 years down the road. Compared to News which requires constant updating. And most musician or artist have other source of income mainly from live performing and tours. There is also the return of Vinyl which I think will only continue to grow. There are no such revenue stream from the News Subscription. We should find out in a few years time.

by kokey 8y ago

atombender 8y ago

What disappoints me about Apple News+ is the lack of good UI for long reads, which must surely be the point of including things like the New Yorker. You can save articles, but there's no good UI to queue up what to read and then read them later. I use Pocket for this sort of thing -- seems like a missed opportunity. (Right now you can't even remove magazines after adding them. Really feels like a beta product.)

joegahona 8y ago

What does News+ provide you with, which News did not?

toasterlovin 8y ago
Full access to the nations leading magazines. New Yorker, The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, etc. I don’t care about those, personally, but they’re some of the best long form writing around.
- joegahona 8y ago
  All of these magazines are on the free version of Apple News, but I haven’t done a deep-dive into how much of their content is available, so I get it if the “full access” part is important to you. I do wonder how important this is to most people though.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    I wonder too. The only reason I think this has any chance in hell of working is that I didn’t think anybody would ever use the non-plus version of News. But they do.

ksec 8y ago

>I think this could be what saves good journalism, What killed Good Journalism was the lack of revenue. And I don't see News+ would save it.

toasterlovin 8y ago
You’re joking, right? The whole point of News+ is to share the subscription revenue with publishers.
- jimbokun 8y ago
  Apple takes 50% cut. It’s not clear that’s a better deal for news sources than just monetizing their own paywalls. NY Times and Washington Post certainly think they can do better on their own.
  - ksec 8y ago
    This. I don't have an answer to what could save quality Journalism. But $5 spread between hundreds of publication from Gossip Magazines to Fashion and Entertainments don't sounds too reassuring.
    - toasterlovin 8y ago
      As a point of comparison, the music subscription services are spreading $7/month between thousands of different artists. That seems to be working extremely well. We’re something like ten years into music subscriptions, right? It seems possible to me that ten years of getting people used to paying for news subscriptions could leave journalism in a similar place as the music industry.
      - ksec 8y ago
        There is a long tail in Music where Music produced today will still get revenue 10 to 30 years down the road. Compared to News which requires constant updating. And most musician or artist have other source of income mainly from live performing and tours. There is also the return of Vinyl which I think will only continue to grow. There are no such revenue stream from the News Subscription. We should find out in a few years time.