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You’re being fed false information if you think that those buttons cover all the typical functions people rely on buttons to perform. The fact is that Tesla ca

You’re being fed false information if you think that those buttons cover all the typical functions people rely on buttons to perform. The fact is that Tesla cars encourage distracted driving by forcing drivers to avert their eyes from the road and look at an LED screen every time they want to do something as simple as turn on the air conditioning.

natch 8y ago
Nice try attempting to turn the wording around, but you fell flat, and it's not constructive. The OP thinks there are no buttons at all. If you're changing the AC that often, AC can be reached and adjusted with muscle memory. No need to look. The controls are at a fixed point on the screen, near the edge, easy to brace a hand there (or not) if desired while using a thumb or finger to make a selection. Next time have some actual experience with the car before drawing conclusions.
- dondawest 8y ago
  Ironically you drew your own false conclusion about me while telling me not to draw false conclusions: I have tons of experience with the car. I put many thousands of miles on the model S I used to own. I have literally thousands of hours of experience driving a Tesla. And at no point did my “muscle memory” kick in, because muscle memory only works with tactile feedback. AC absolutely can not be reached and adjusted on a Tesla from muscle memory, even when you have thousands of hours of experience driving the Tesla. Muscle memory simply doesn’t work without tactile feedback and placing a button close to the edge of a screen is not enough feedback for anyone. I challenge even the most experienced Tesla owner to turn their AC on and off from the screen while driving without looking at the screen, ten times in a row. $100 says their failure rate will be greater than 1/10. And then they’ll have to look at the screen while driving and become — by default — A DISTRACTED DRIVER. Teslas are death and vomit machines. And this is coming from someone who used to be a True Believer in the Church of Musk like you appear to be.
  - natch 8y ago
    Death and vomit... classy bro. The 3 is different from the S. And personally I do glance at the screen safely when needed and there is nothing wrong with that.
    - dondawest 8y ago
      Actually, there is something wrong with that: taking your eyes off the road while driving is the very definition of a distracted driver. Death and vomit are two things that Tesla cars create. Who cares about classiness, we’re anonymous screen names on the internet. Also, you still haven’t addressed or refuted my points regarding physical feedback and muscle memory, or regarding my challenge to any Tesla owner to turn their AC on and off while driving ten times in a row, which literally no one would be able to do.
      - natch 8y ago
        Someone should sell a tactile dash overlay kit for people like you. I’m half serious... if done well, some silly people would buy it to overcome the perceived problems you think you see. Maybe it could also make “vroom, vroom” noises for people who feel that the absence of the feedback of engine noise poses a serious danger. I’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of ICE car drivers and many of them think this is a serious concern. Oh and block off the rear view mirrors because they might distract from the road ahead... according to your line of thinking. And it could move the speedometer display down behind the steering wheel where the driver would have to bob their head to see the readout. But at least it would be centered like an old ICE car. Your points are ridiculous.
        dondawest 8y ago
        >block off the rear view mirrors because they might distract from the road ahead... according to your line of thinking. What? Not true. Looking at a rear view mirror is still a form of keeping your eyes on the road and thus is not distracted driving. Looking at an LED screen is, by default, distracted driving. Renounce ur faith in Elon dude, ur faith will not be rewarded.
- vlaak 8y ago
  I take it you're in favor of the rumored glass keyboards coming out soon in laptops. I'm not. Physical buttons are key when operating a vehicle IMO. Furthermore, I'd prefer big ass buttons and knobs so that there is as little reason as possible for people to take their eyes off the road.

natch 8y ago

Nice try attempting to turn the wording around, but you fell flat, and it's not constructive. The OP thinks there are no buttons at all. If you're changing the AC that often, AC can be reached and adjusted with muscle memory. No need to look. The controls are at a fixed point on the screen, near the edge, easy to brace a hand there (or not) if desired while using a thumb or finger to make a selection. Next time have some actual experience with the car before drawing conclusions.

dondawest 8y ago
Ironically you drew your own false conclusion about me while telling me not to draw false conclusions: I have tons of experience with the car. I put many thousands of miles on the model S I used to own. I have literally thousands of hours of experience driving a Tesla. And at no point did my “muscle memory” kick in, because muscle memory only works with tactile feedback. AC absolutely can not be reached and adjusted on a Tesla from muscle memory, even when you have thousands of hours of experience driving the Tesla. Muscle memory simply doesn’t work without tactile feedback and placing a button close to the edge of a screen is not enough feedback for anyone. I challenge even the most experienced Tesla owner to turn their AC on and off from the screen while driving without looking at the screen, ten times in a row. $100 says their failure rate will be greater than 1/10. And then they’ll have to look at the screen while driving and become — by default — A DISTRACTED DRIVER. Teslas are death and vomit machines. And this is coming from someone who used to be a True Believer in the Church of Musk like you appear to be.
- natch 8y ago
  Death and vomit... classy bro. The 3 is different from the S. And personally I do glance at the screen safely when needed and there is nothing wrong with that.
  - dondawest 8y ago
    Actually, there is something wrong with that: taking your eyes off the road while driving is the very definition of a distracted driver. Death and vomit are two things that Tesla cars create. Who cares about classiness, we’re anonymous screen names on the internet. Also, you still haven’t addressed or refuted my points regarding physical feedback and muscle memory, or regarding my challenge to any Tesla owner to turn their AC on and off while driving ten times in a row, which literally no one would be able to do.
    - natch 8y ago
      Someone should sell a tactile dash overlay kit for people like you. I’m half serious... if done well, some silly people would buy it to overcome the perceived problems you think you see. Maybe it could also make “vroom, vroom” noises for people who feel that the absence of the feedback of engine noise poses a serious danger. I’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of ICE car drivers and many of them think this is a serious concern. Oh and block off the rear view mirrors because they might distract from the road ahead... according to your line of thinking. And it could move the speedometer display down behind the steering wheel where the driver would have to bob their head to see the readout. But at least it would be centered like an old ICE car. Your points are ridiculous.
      - dondawest 8y ago
        >block off the rear view mirrors because they might distract from the road ahead... according to your line of thinking. What? Not true. Looking at a rear view mirror is still a form of keeping your eyes on the road and thus is not distracted driving. Looking at an LED screen is, by default, distracted driving. Renounce ur faith in Elon dude, ur faith will not be rewarded.
vlaak 8y ago
I take it you're in favor of the rumored glass keyboards coming out soon in laptops. I'm not. Physical buttons are key when operating a vehicle IMO. Furthermore, I'd prefer big ass buttons and knobs so that there is as little reason as possible for people to take their eyes off the road.