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I think we all got caught up in wiki leaks and the seemingly good fight for truth, but to me, their truth looks biased. I mean, you have to wonder why wiki lea

by jaabe 8y ago

I think we all got caught up in wiki leaks and the seemingly good fight for truth, but to me, their truth looks biased. I mean, you have to wonder why wiki leaks helped Trump win the election and then pretty much stopped their American leaks. Did the American military stop using murder drones? Wouldn’t Trumps taxes or the Mueller report be interesting? Why have all the abundance of White House leaks ended up in traditional media instead of on wiki leaks? I’m not American though, so I’m not really that interested in your domestic politics. I prefer you to be working well with Europe, so it’s fair to say I don’t like Trump, but it’s not like your democrats were really a beacon of freedom and justice internationally either. Living rather close to Russia, so close that they practice airplane bombing runs on our yearly political summit (folkemødet) and regularly fly on the border of our air space, I do wonder why wiki leaks never houses any Russian leaks. The Ukraine was invaded by the Russian military. Sure they dress up and use local militias to be able to deny it, but that’s exactly what happened. They even hacked the entire power grid, and left fallout which is still effecting Maersk because Maersk happened to use similar software. Yet not a single word on anything on wiki leaks? Maybe it didn’t start out that way, and maybe Assange is not involved with it, but it sure seem like wiki leaks turned into something anti-democracy.

raxxorrax 8y ago
Pretty much the whole Russia angle was a big pile of crap for democrats to save face. In my opinion, this hysteria is a big scandal for parts of the media, US institutions and the democratic party. Not saying that Putin is our friend or that republicans are the better choice in the US (not from there).
- pjc50 8y ago
  What about all the actually guilty? > Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation, which is now complete. > That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/m...
  - raxxorrax 8y ago
    Not relevant to the accusation in my opinion. I also have trouble with indictments for making false statements to the FBI, since this institution has become part of a problem itself. Comparatively, these people don't seem to be clean but I am lacking a reference here.
  - ralph84 8y ago
    If you spend two years investigating _anyone_, chances are you can find a law they violated sometime in their life.
    - root_axis 8y ago
      What a strangely disingenuous comment. If the FBI investigated me for two years they wouldn't be able to charge me with high profile financial crimes lol. How absurd.
      - ralph84 8y ago
        You're 100% certain you've complied with all 70,000 pages of federal tax law and regulations? You've paid sales or use tax on all of your online purchases?
        root_axis 8y ago
        I said "high profile financial crimes" not obscure and rarely enforced legal technicalities.
simion314 8y ago
Could it be that no Russian citizen is leaking because reasons? If there are no leaks from Russia what can they do? I remember that the leaks about money hidden in the paradise countries contained a lot of russians too.
- jaabe 8y ago
  There are leaks from Russia though, like when their entire Olympic athlete program was outed in the doping scandal, or when they hacked the Ukrainian power grid, or the troll factories. The leaks just never make it to wiki leaks.
  - simion314 8y ago
    So was those leaked by local press or other institutions? Were those leaked documents also sent to Wikileaks and they refused to analyze or host them? If not I see no problem in the fact that you have many options on how/where to leak, especially if you are in Russia/China you will have a better reach tif you expose politicians and corruption if you use local (in your native language) press, the local journalists can also have the advantage they do not need translates,they are already in the country and can travel and verify things, they have contacts.

by jaabe 8y ago

raxxorrax 8y ago

Pretty much the whole Russia angle was a big pile of crap for democrats to save face. In my opinion, this hysteria is a big scandal for parts of the media, US institutions and the democratic party. Not saying that Putin is our friend or that republicans are the better choice in the US (not from there).

pjc50 8y ago
What about all the actually guilty? > Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation, which is now complete. > That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/m...
- raxxorrax 8y ago
  Not relevant to the accusation in my opinion. I also have trouble with indictments for making false statements to the FBI, since this institution has become part of a problem itself. Comparatively, these people don't seem to be clean but I am lacking a reference here.
- ralph84 8y ago
  If you spend two years investigating _anyone_, chances are you can find a law they violated sometime in their life.
  - root_axis 8y ago
    What a strangely disingenuous comment. If the FBI investigated me for two years they wouldn't be able to charge me with high profile financial crimes lol. How absurd.
    - ralph84 8y ago
      You're 100% certain you've complied with all 70,000 pages of federal tax law and regulations? You've paid sales or use tax on all of your online purchases?
      - root_axis 8y ago
        I said "high profile financial crimes" not obscure and rarely enforced legal technicalities.

simion314 8y ago

Could it be that no Russian citizen is leaking because reasons? If there are no leaks from Russia what can they do? I remember that the leaks about money hidden in the paradise countries contained a lot of russians too.

jaabe 8y ago
There are leaks from Russia though, like when their entire Olympic athlete program was outed in the doping scandal, or when they hacked the Ukrainian power grid, or the troll factories. The leaks just never make it to wiki leaks.
- simion314 8y ago
  So was those leaked by local press or other institutions? Were those leaked documents also sent to Wikileaks and they refused to analyze or host them? If not I see no problem in the fact that you have many options on how/where to leak, especially if you are in Russia/China you will have a better reach tif you expose politicians and corruption if you use local (in your native language) press, the local journalists can also have the advantage they do not need translates,they are already in the country and can travel and verify things, they have contacts.