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Who has the fastest website in F1?
- Rafuino 8y agoWow, that Netflix documentary is reallllly helping grow interest in F1! Enjoyed the long scroll down to see Haas as the winner. I assume the article controls for the physical location of the request (i.e. is Haas fastest because the author is in the US and Haas is the only US-based team and/or hosted site?), but I didn't see it in my perusal.
- LanceH 8y agoThey should have a test every week from a different country. They could have team points as well as manufacturer points depending on the web servers.
- Twirrim 8y ago> Wow, that Netflix documentary is reallllly helping grow interest in F1! Based on language and phrasing used on the blog, the author is British, and F1 has been a staple on mainstream terrestrial channels for decades, although it has seen a decline as F1 has increasingly became boring and predictable, and almost entirely dictated by team tactics and car reliability.
- gukov 8y agoI grew up watching Schumi vs Hakkinen, those were the times... It's all over the place now.
- sh87 8y agoMassa, Raikkonen, Montoya, Alonso ... those were the days.
- eafkuor 8y agoWhat does that mean it's all over the place now? I also grew up with Schumacher vs Hakkinen, but last season and seemingly this one are amazing.
- JshWright 8y agoI'm not sure I'd call the last season "amazing". It had some promise at the start, but it was pretty clear before too long that Hamilton was going to run away with it again. We'll see what this season holds (since at this time last season it still looked like it would be a good fight to the end), but I'm optimistic. If Bottas can retain his form from Australia (I think the wind really threw him off in Bahrain), and if Vettel can get his head on straight, we could see a legit four-way fight for the title.
- jaffathecake 8y agoFwiw this year's Formula 2 grid has a Schumacher and an Alesi.
- andrepd 8y agoThere are many father-son dynasties across Formula 1/2/3/E. Pique, Senna, Prost, Verstappen, Rosberg, just to name a few active right now.
- jaffathecake 8y agoBruno Senna is Ayrton's nephew, but yeah, lots of repeated family names.
- dazc 8y ago'..those were the times...' If you weren't around in the days of Senna then you really have missed the best of times.
- yitchelle 8y agoSecond that. Senna, Prost and Mansell had some major battles. Always felt kind sorry for Mansell as you felt that he is on the verge of getting World Championship but never really got there on a consistent basis.
- dazc 8y agoYes, he wasn't the most stylish driver (or likeable) but his effort was never in doubt.
- wp381640 8y agoCoulthard kinda trashed Mansell's effort compared to Senna in this clip: https://youtu.be/9U_K76vPGYo?t=329 https://youtu.be/9U_K76vPGYo?t=329
- Twirrim 8y agoI started getting in to F1 at the very tail end of the 80s and in to the early 90s. It was something else. Although I rarely watch motorsports these days, I'm much more inclined to watch something like MotoGP than F1.
- cyberferret 8y agoI watched a lot of F1 in the 80's and 90's. Then stopped for various reasons (around the time that Senna died on the track). But lately have started watching again now that my sons are taking an interest. I fully appreciate that the heady, noisy, dangerous days of F1 are over, as driver & fan safety, as well as hybrid engines take over the sport. But still, exciting wheel to wheel racing can happen, as evidenced by the race in Bahrain over the weekend. This year at least, the teams seem on a more even spread, and it is hard to pick a runaway winner for the drivers or constructors championship.
- cjrp 8y ago> ...and F1 has been a staple on mainstream terrestrial channels for decades, although it has seen a decline as F1 has increasingly became boring and predictable, and almost entirely dictated by team tactics and car reliability. Also it's now only live on Sky, which requires a minimum ~£30/m subscription; probably doesn't help viewing figures.
- wp381640 8y agowelcome to what football fans have been dealing with for 30 years now
- oarsinsync 8y agoIn the UK, that's definitely an overstatement. Many league games, and major cup games remained (and possibly still are) on free to view TV. In contrast, for the last few years, only half the races have been free to view. As of this year, only one race a year is available to watch for free. Shame, as the last race (Bahrain 2019) was possibly the best race I've seen in years.
- dtf 8y agoJake is UK based. https://twitter.com/jaffathecake https://twitter.com/jaffathecake
- Rafuino 8y agoVery cool. Had a busy day at work so couldn't check all the details!
- cyberjunkie 8y agoYep. I'm watching an episode every day and it even made me want to watch a race the past weekend. I kinda miss following it, and I lost touch since 2007-2009.
- jaffathecake 8y agoThe Bahrain GP is definitely worth watching!
- LandR 8y agoIf you like having your heart broken, yes, it certainly is.
- WalterBright 8y agoI loved that documentary. But doggone it, the racing scenes were all quick cuts. I could barely focus on it before it cut to another view. In the movie "Grand Prix", the greatest shot in it was one continuous shot of a lap in the Monaco race, from the driver's POV. No added music, just the engine sounds. I wish that documentary would add such a scene for each track.
- clouddrover 8y agoThe Formula 1 YouTube channel has onboard videos. Here's Charles Leclerc's pole lap from last weekend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTezG7LJL5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTezG7LJL5o Race highlights with some onboard vision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjWY--QdMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjWY--QdMA
- WalterBright 8y agoThank you!
- yitchelle 8y agoThat is a particularly good video of Leclerc's lap. I love that the telematics on his steering wheel are visible as well, and you can get a real sense of the speed and the gear changes needed.
- clouddrover 8y agoYes, I like that too. The steering wheel displays are easy to see in night races. It's interesting to see what the different teams are doing with their steering wheels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLExSMdjlUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLExSMdjlUg The onboard lap comparison videos are also good, like this one from last year's US grand prix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-Uv6OKeDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-Uv6OKeDc You can see where time is being gained and lost throughout the lap.
- JshWright 8y agoOne of my favorite onboards is Ricciardo's pole lap from Monaco last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbrKA6IwgcM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbrKA6IwgcM
- jaffathecake 8y agoThe requests were all made from Dulles, VA. It's possible some of the sites would be faster from the UK or elsewhere, but ttfb was the least of these site's problems
- rad_gruchalski 8y agoJust the exchange between Cyril Abiteboul and Christian Horner before the 2018 Belgian GP regarding Ricciardo going to Renault justified watching the whole series. The gist: CA: so now you need an engine and a driver. CH: you are spending the money you don’t have for the drivers. CA: I have a lot of money. The build up to this was Red Bull announcing they are not going to use Renault engines in 2019 but before they knew they’ll lose the driver to Renault.
- techslave 8y agoyour description is severely lacking. what was said is largely irrelevant. the body language was the point. horner as cocksure alpha and abiteboul as weak. the 2 are portrayed that way throughout the series. i especially like the highlight / intimation that the highest priority for renault is the quality of their lunch.
- davidjnelson 8y agoCool article, read the mercedes example. That stuff is super basic, why would they ship such a terrible product?
- clouddrover 8y agoThey've been too busy winning the F1 championship every year for the last five years.
- StavrosK 8y agoBut apparently not too busy to make a website about it.
- magicalhippo 8y agoMercedes got 500 folks employed just to make the F1 engine[1], I'm sure they can afford to hire someone to get a couple of websites made. That it's not better is probably because, does it need to be? [1]: https://www.mercedes-amg-hpp.com/about-us/ https://www.mercedes-amg-hpp.com/about-us/
- gxs 8y agoI think your comment is a lot more insightful than it might appear on the surface. Companies do a ton of market research, if there were some edge to optimizing your company’s site, I suspect there would have been 10 books on the subject by now. Truth is they don’t do it because they don’t need it. Plain and simple. What exactly would they get other than HNs approval? Your comment struck a cord with me because it’s a conversation I have had in IT millions of times. The real wisdom in any type of endeavor is knowing when it’s ok to cut a corner and when there is absolutely no room for compromise.
- stupidcar 8y agoThese kind of websites are just a brand box-ticking exercise. They're farmed off to a low-bidding contractor or agency who have no incentive to care about performance. So long as the site runs fast on the client's iMacs using office wifi that's good enough.
- amanzi 8y agoI'd love to hear from those of you who do web work for these types of big companies. Do they just not care about performance or are there other issues at play? I've dabbled with some small sites and would get stressed if the page load was more than a couple of seconds. How can these companies with large budgets find it acceptable that page loads can take tens of seconds while jumping content around the page or locking up threads with massive JS?
- goldenkey 8y agoMost execs have the assets already cached so they dont realize. And if you tell them to clear their cache and revisit the site they will scoff and tell you to "scurry off with your technical nerdistry!" I don't bother trying to rock the boat anymore. It is never appreciated, only scolded as if you are a pedantic whiner.
- StavrosK 8y agoThat's because you're bad at marketing. Imagine how differently you'd be received if instead of saying "here's how slow it is if I clear my cache" you said "here's what a new visitor who has never been to our site before experiences".
- goldenkey 8y agoI wish that were the reason. In large companies, the communication channels can be as bad as it is to outside customers. Put your energy into things that reward you back for good faith efforts. Large companies often have power structures entrenched by other factors than efficiency and function.
- tedunangst 8y agoBut who is going to say that? The web developer is going to go to the CEO and say "look how slow the site I just made is!"?
- packet_nerd 8y agoThe Haas cached second load is slower than the first. You can't blame that one on execs already having the assets...
- cyberferret 8y agoAs a long time F1 fan, I love the premise of this article. Perhaps we should also investigate the correlation between team marketing budgets vs web site speed, as that seems to be a major talking point about their R&D budgets vs track speed these days...
- hit8run 8y agoBloat. Just bloat. Bring back the motherf... website that is just plain old html.
- OrgNet 8y agoyeah, and if you really need those scripts, stop loading them from 10 different domains...
- berbec 8y agoHow is it acceptable for any webpage to take 10s+ to render on first load? How did we get here?
- LeonM 8y agoWell... Ferrari inlined a 1.7MB BASE64 encoded image of their prancing horse logo, only to render it at less than 1/10th of its size. That shows it's not always the massive JS libs that are the problem. It's also a lack of knowledge and interest from those who build and maintain the site.
- losteric 8y agoAnd quite possibly a lack of interest from the customers of their site.
- LeonM 8y agoAgreed. It's not like Ferarri is going to lose a (potential) customer because their site loads a bit slow.
- jim-jim-jim 8y agoIt definitely doesn't matter with Ferrari because I doubt people buy cars directly through their site, but I've gotten into spats with art/fashion people who make terrible web stores that shit the bed the moment you're on a spotty connection. Their justification is unironically "we don't make products for poor people, so who cares what our site looks like on a bad signal," which I find really odd—do people with means never travel or something?
- RaceWon 8y agoRight, nor will they need PR from G like the rest of us do. I mean are people typing in "Fast cars I can't afford" to find Ferarri online?
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- blattimwind 8y agoIt makes me kinda sad how the article talks about a five second loading time as something that's "relatively good". I guess between cheaply made, slow sites and huge sites like reddit not giving two fucks about performance the goalposts have shifted dramatically toward the bad. Personally for simple content-based sites I find anything above ~half a second is already quite bad, assuming a reasonable underlying connection to the server (ping < 30 ms).
- MuffinFlavored 8y agoreddit is slow? I've never experienced that?
- snazz 8y agoThe new SPA site is slower than https://old.reddit.com https://old.reddit.com by a fair margin.
- kevin_thibedeau 8y agoOn mobile it's an artificial delay to upsell the app.
- brokenmachine 8y agoPlease elaborate with technical details.
- realusername 8y agoTheir mobile site is even slower than the desktop site if you try to load both on desktop.
- MuffinFlavored 8y agoThat would explain it. I avoid the new SPA redesign. Thanks!
- JshWright 8y agoHey look, Williams is fast again...
- leemailll 8y agoHaha, good one
- deshi 8y agoWhen I started out I used to contact companies and try to sell them a site upgrade, generally focusing on something that was better looking. I wonder if now the better opportunity is to demonstrate how much more efficiently you can code their site to increase performance. Reinforcing that with data on how this affects sales and surely you could snatch quite a few contracts.
- AJMaxwell 8y agoThis is one of the metrics I use when voting
- nolawi89 8y agonerd
- aboutruby 8y agoWould be cool to see what the performance would be with Cloudflare in front of those sites.
- jaffathecake 8y agoAside from Williams who suffer from HTTP/1, the performance bottlenecks are little to do with server architecture or TTFB.
- aboutruby 8y agoThey do all kinds of caching, image compression, etc. I think most of those are in paid plans though. Just mentioning it as it's quite a simple, fast, free change that doesn't cost any developer hours.
- rdbell 8y agoTesting F1 race team websites for speed is a neat idea. I'm a cofounder of PacketStream.io We'd love to see you re-run these tests from our network of global residential proxies to see results from different locations around the globe. Our product lets you select a geolocation to exit from as part of the request. If you're interested in free credits to run some more speed tests send me an email: ronald at packetstream io
- mitchtbaum 8y ago> I mean, it makes sense right? Yes.
- pass3hux 8y agohttps://goo.gl/images/nGTXAE https://goo.gl/images/nGTXAE