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Yeah, everyone is so defiant that they don't realize that IP and VPN blocks are coming if we continue down this road.
by strictfp 8y ago
Yeah, everyone is so defiant that they don't realize that IP and VPN blocks are coming if we continue down this road.
- richjdsmith 8y agoThe UK is already there. My VPN was blocked recently and I had to go to my network provider with my ID to prove my age(?!) so I could access my VPN again. I was not impressed.
- celticninja 8y agoWhat VPN was blocked?
- inapis 8y agoAt that point it would be better to roll your own and use ports 22 or 443.
- setquk 8y agoThis is what I’m doing. Linode box.
- bryanrasmussen 8y agoProbably it's worth not blocking you for that, just add you to a list as a person of interest.
- Krasnol 8y agoI guess this is the point where you leave the general public behind. Lucky you. Which fits fantastically in the discussion over at the San Diego Streetlight surveillance and the "Software engineers social responsibility"[1] vs. the fact that it will get worse if you make it mainstream. Interesting times. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19545668
- bspammer 8y agoHopefully projects like Streisand [1] continue to be worked on - they automate a lot of the hassle of setting up services like this. Ideally they will eventually be easy enough for your grandpa to use. [1] https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand
- setquk 8y agoYou’re probably on a major ISP. Only the major ones in the UK are blocked and regulated. The smaller ones aren’t deemed as important.
- Aromasin 8y agoUnfortunately the minor ISPs are almost 3-fold slower in most places, while being just as expensive. My options are between Virgin, which has speeds of up to 362mB fibre for £42/month, and the next best BT, which is 67mB for £39.99/ month. At uni, unless I wanted 30mB for a 7 person household, my only option was again Virgin. It's difficult not to be on a major ISP when the minor ISPs can't contest on speed and value for money.
- setquk 8y agoI spent years with 5 people on 12mbit ADSL2. I'd rather have that than virgin and blocking any day. I suffered Virgin for a couple of years and it was hell. Now I'm on ~64mbit VDSL with no blocking at all on Zen. We pull 500G+ a month through it. Costs £37.49 a month. They just rolled out 300mbit fibre as well so that's going in next month. Speed isn't everything for me. I can QoS those problems away pretty well.
- oarsinsync 8y ago> I spent years with 5 people on 12mbit ADSL2. I'd rather have that than virgin and blocking any day. Try doing that today with 5 people all trying to watch Netflix. That wasn't a thing back in 2002.
- Accacin 8y agoOn your mobile? I don't know anyone else who's had that problem so it'd be interesting to know who..
- akerro 8y agoWhat ISP and VPN was that?
- lordnacho 8y agoWhat ISP are you on? BT blocks libgen but NordVPN seems to work just fine. Of course if they block the whole VPN list you can just rent a tiny instance in a cloud somewhere, though that seems like enough work to bother most non techies.
- neuronic 8y agoThis is what Merkel meant with "Neuland"(engl. uncharted territory) in 2013. In Germany she is heavily mocked for not understanding the Internet. Of course, it's the bright populace of high class forums such as Facebook and r/de who know better than the Physicist Chancellor of a G7 nation... In reality, she meant it is legal Neuland. That authorities and courts had little established ways of enforcing laws online, that even heavily illegal acts were difficult to process and prosecute. Now we are getting there. The law catches up with the Internet. If we want a free Sci-Hub and free content sharing, then it's the law that we have to adapt. Because governments already adapt their procedures - the online Wild West is over. Kind of feels like "civilization" creeping into the Old West.
- indigochill 8y agoIsn't this what the "dark web" is for? True, some sites have been taken down but as I understand that was more due to poor opsec than a flaw with the technology itself. I for one have no faith in educating the government as long as companies with multi-million-dollar lobbying budgets are free to sway politicians to legislate in their favor. Happy to be convinced otherwise, though.
- LoSboccacc 8y agonot really. as a citizen of somewhere you'll always be subject to laws. dark web could help people evade the law a little longer but won't make it legal, as such law abiding citizen will not want to have themselves associated with it for the fear of repercussions down the road. the only long term solution is to change the laws, not to work around them, but we don't have the economic power to balance the lobbies anymore.
- dwild 8y agoThing is, it's the fact that is a legal "Neuland" that it's a great place. What if you use your phone line to organize a crime? Is that a problem? Should we add word recognition to phone line to make sure this doesn't happen? Should we limit it to a series of specific words? This would break phone usage. The same apply to internet, except that it can do even more. The only ways to make sure theses criminal activities doesn't happen would be to limit how it can be used which break everything.