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5G and it’s need to remake all the light and utility poles in the city will bring the cameras and microphones. It’s a compelling use case to a government, regar

5G and it’s need to remake all the light and utility poles in the city will bring the cameras and microphones. It’s a compelling use case to a government, regardless of privacy implications. Microphones are used in a lot of places to figure out and triangulate the location of a gunshot. Cameras can track cars and people automatically. Not sure what to do about it though. Maybe multisig with community leaders and police with a court available as an override? Just spitballing. Everything has a negative unintended consequence.

komali2 8y ago
>Microphones are used in a lot of places to figure out and triangulate the location of a gunshot. Apparently, those don't work too well. Spotshotter works in principle, but police departments are getting as low as 50% false positive rates, and can't really do anything if they do get reports of gunshots anyway - they turn up and the shooter is gone. https://www.govtech.com/public-safety/After-Too-Many-Shots-Missed-Fall-River-Mass-Ends-Deal-with-ShotSpotter.html https://www.govtech.com/public-safety/After-Too-Many-Shots-M...
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Former Chicago resident here. The spotshotters were a very effective way to determine what neighborhoods you didn’t want to walk through at night.
  - onion2k 8y ago
    You'd hope that would lead to more public investment in education and services in those areas to alliviate crime and make them safer, but somehow I doubt that's what happened...
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      We’re still talking about Chicago, right?
    - shard972 8y ago
      More? At what point will they look at all the money being spent and the blood being spilled and maybe consider investing in public schools doesn't magically get rid of an infestation of gang violence.
      - TeMPOraL 8y ago
        Hopefully not earlier than 10 years after the investment, as this is how much it takes schools to start making a difference.
      - onion2k 8y ago
        At what point will they look at all the money being spent and the blood being spilled and maybe consider investing in public schools doesn't magically get rid of an infestation of gang violence. If your question is "When do you decide to stop spending and give up on people?", then I think the only civilised answer is "Never".
        dredmorbius 8y ago
        Excellent response.
suicideRates 8y ago
I hate being ahead of the curve most of the time, because it really never pays to be anything besides right-on-time, but rigidity like this is going to expose huge suicide rates as people consider just cutting to the chase on a future that seems cut out for them. We're already trending close to Japan. It'll be worse than South Korea for sure. And mind you, the current opioid epidemic's death rate doesn't directly factor into the suicide rate, but it's pretty much an elective analog for alternative euthanasia.
raxxorrax 8y ago
> Not sure what to do about it though. If my city ever decided to implement surveillance on that scale, vandalism is clearly on the table. Just try to sabotage the network first. Would help you not get caught, at least for a while. In essence: Increase the rate of criminality. They were asking for it.
- sverhagen 8y ago
  What do you have to hide? Okay, bad joke, April 1 is over. In seriousness: please don't do that (yet). If you care deep enough to do all that, why don't you join the local government, the local media, start your own local media, become a counter-movement that doesn't go against the law?
  - salawat 8y ago
    Because the government never asked permission? Yes, destruction of government property is a crime, but widespread deployment of surveillance dragnet is a far more clear and present danger to everyone. It's one of those rare cases through which the government, by doing something, has made the place less "safe" for what? A bit of security? Boulderdash! If anything it's yet another test case on how far total public space information dominance can be pushed. It's a social engineering ploy that needed to stay in the pages of a book of speculative fiction.

komali2 8y ago

>Microphones are used in a lot of places to figure out and triangulate the location of a gunshot. Apparently, those don't work too well. Spotshotter works in principle, but police departments are getting as low as 50% false positive rates, and can't really do anything if they do get reports of gunshots anyway - they turn up and the shooter is gone. https://www.govtech.com/public-safety/After-Too-Many-Shots-Missed-Fall-River-Mass-Ends-Deal-with-ShotSpotter.html https://www.govtech.com/public-safety/After-Too-Many-Shots-M...

village-idiot 8y ago
Former Chicago resident here. The spotshotters were a very effective way to determine what neighborhoods you didn’t want to walk through at night.
- onion2k 8y ago
  You'd hope that would lead to more public investment in education and services in those areas to alliviate crime and make them safer, but somehow I doubt that's what happened...
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    We’re still talking about Chicago, right?
  - shard972 8y ago
    More? At what point will they look at all the money being spent and the blood being spilled and maybe consider investing in public schools doesn't magically get rid of an infestation of gang violence.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      Hopefully not earlier than 10 years after the investment, as this is how much it takes schools to start making a difference.
    - onion2k 8y ago
      At what point will they look at all the money being spent and the blood being spilled and maybe consider investing in public schools doesn't magically get rid of an infestation of gang violence. If your question is "When do you decide to stop spending and give up on people?", then I think the only civilised answer is "Never".
      - dredmorbius 8y ago
        Excellent response.

suicideRates 8y ago

I hate being ahead of the curve most of the time, because it really never pays to be anything besides right-on-time, but rigidity like this is going to expose huge suicide rates as people consider just cutting to the chase on a future that seems cut out for them. We're already trending close to Japan. It'll be worse than South Korea for sure. And mind you, the current opioid epidemic's death rate doesn't directly factor into the suicide rate, but it's pretty much an elective analog for alternative euthanasia.

raxxorrax 8y ago

> Not sure what to do about it though. If my city ever decided to implement surveillance on that scale, vandalism is clearly on the table. Just try to sabotage the network first. Would help you not get caught, at least for a while. In essence: Increase the rate of criminality. They were asking for it.

sverhagen 8y ago
What do you have to hide? Okay, bad joke, April 1 is over. In seriousness: please don't do that (yet). If you care deep enough to do all that, why don't you join the local government, the local media, start your own local media, become a counter-movement that doesn't go against the law?
- salawat 8y ago
  Because the government never asked permission? Yes, destruction of government property is a crime, but widespread deployment of surveillance dragnet is a far more clear and present danger to everyone. It's one of those rare cases through which the government, by doing something, has made the place less "safe" for what? A bit of security? Boulderdash! If anything it's yet another test case on how far total public space information dominance can be pushed. It's a social engineering ploy that needed to stay in the pages of a book of speculative fiction.