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This issue is currently keeping me from buying a Macbook Pro right now. I'll take a slightly thicker laptop with a working keyboard. I don't mind them making i

This issue is currently keeping me from buying a Macbook Pro right now. I'll take a slightly thicker laptop with a working keyboard. I don't mind them making it slim, but a keyboard has to work. Not taking the risk, especially given how expensive it is to repair macs.

lmilcin 8y ago
I have exactly the same problem. Working as a contractor and using the machine for most of the day, every day, means its price as basically irrelevant, I will always buy best machine that will allow me to be most productive. I would buy MBP at any price right now because Windows and Linux are taking too much of my time babysitting and I just want powerful laptop that actually works. Unfortunately I just can't afford a machine that can be brought down at any moment by a speck of dust or that has a keyboard that makes me think someone went out of their way to make typing more difficult. Don't even make me started on not having physical function keys. Apple, if you listen, not everybody needs shiny toy. Some people need machines for work and have a different system of values or needs that make it more important that the machine is reliable and ergonomic than having nice looks or being 1mm slimmer.
- skoskie 8y ago
  I was most pissed off by the redesigned arrow keys. I can never find them by touch anymore. I have to look down every time. It was a completely pointless change. I’m convinced they did it just to specifically piss me off.
richinfante 8y ago
> Not taking the risk, especially given how expensive it is to repair macs. Same for me - I won't be purchasing one of these new macbooks even though I'm in need of an upgrade. I have one for work and the keyboard's terrible. Keys will sporadically get stuck or stop working properly. Never had this problem with the old-style keyboards.
stcredzero 8y ago
I'll take a slightly thicker laptop with a working keyboard Someone should create a laptop which has equivalent aesthetics, high build quality, very high robustness, awesome battery life, an awesome mechanical keyboard, and gaming-laptop like GPU/CPU specs. I don't care if it's an entire inch thick. Just make the edges super rounded, and I can get it into my backpack just fine! (I'd say to brand it 'THICC' but I'm not sure if that wouldn't draw it towards gaming laptop territory.) The current basic spec 15" Razer Blade is very close to this, but not quite.
- TylerE 8y ago
  You may not care if it's an inch thick, but you'll care when it weights 20lbs.
  - hu3 8y ago
    It doesn't have to be 20lbs. A fully beefed up Razer Blade with GTX 2080 weights 4.7lbs vs a much less powerful Macbook Pro's 4lbs. Thickness of 0.7" vs 0.61"
    - TylerE 8y ago
      That doesn't have a mechanical keyboard, which will add quite a bit of weight and thickness (which adds more weight). The one laptop that ACTUALLY has a mechnical keyboard, the MSI GT83, weighs 13lbs not counting the 2 (!!) 330w power supplies. Shipping weight is 24 lbs.
      - lmorchard 8y ago
        Honestly, that machine is more a "luggable" than a laptop, in the grand tradition that includes Kaypro CP/M and Commodore SX-64 luggables with built-in CRTs.
      - hu3 8y ago
        It does have a mechanical keyboard: https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade-pro https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade-pro edit: screenshot for posterity https://i.imgur.com/D1Fyrtv.png https://i.imgur.com/D1Fyrtv.png
__d 8y ago
They could just re-release the mid-2014 15", and I think they'd sell a bunch of them. Add a motherboard update to new CPU and make it expandable to 32GB RAM, and they'd fly off the shelves.
- caycep 8y ago
  I'd just take a model that enables NVME..I have the last model where the hardware was there but they were emulating SATA still
- tracker1 8y ago
  Yeah, would be happy with their 2010-2012 layout for keyboard/trackpad... 2014-2015 for trackpad interface and USB A/C and headphone jack. Modern CPU and 32-64gb ram. At this point, next laptop may well be a linux box... likely going the same when I replace my desktop later in the year.

lmilcin 8y ago

I have exactly the same problem. Working as a contractor and using the machine for most of the day, every day, means its price as basically irrelevant, I will always buy best machine that will allow me to be most productive. I would buy MBP at any price right now because Windows and Linux are taking too much of my time babysitting and I just want powerful laptop that actually works. Unfortunately I just can't afford a machine that can be brought down at any moment by a speck of dust or that has a keyboard that makes me think someone went out of their way to make typing more difficult. Don't even make me started on not having physical function keys. Apple, if you listen, not everybody needs shiny toy. Some people need machines for work and have a different system of values or needs that make it more important that the machine is reliable and ergonomic than having nice looks or being 1mm slimmer.

skoskie 8y ago
I was most pissed off by the redesigned arrow keys. I can never find them by touch anymore. I have to look down every time. It was a completely pointless change. I’m convinced they did it just to specifically piss me off.

richinfante 8y ago

> Not taking the risk, especially given how expensive it is to repair macs. Same for me - I won't be purchasing one of these new macbooks even though I'm in need of an upgrade. I have one for work and the keyboard's terrible. Keys will sporadically get stuck or stop working properly. Never had this problem with the old-style keyboards.

stcredzero 8y ago

I'll take a slightly thicker laptop with a working keyboard Someone should create a laptop which has equivalent aesthetics, high build quality, very high robustness, awesome battery life, an awesome mechanical keyboard, and gaming-laptop like GPU/CPU specs. I don't care if it's an entire inch thick. Just make the edges super rounded, and I can get it into my backpack just fine! (I'd say to brand it 'THICC' but I'm not sure if that wouldn't draw it towards gaming laptop territory.) The current basic spec 15" Razer Blade is very close to this, but not quite.

TylerE 8y ago
You may not care if it's an inch thick, but you'll care when it weights 20lbs.
- hu3 8y ago
  It doesn't have to be 20lbs. A fully beefed up Razer Blade with GTX 2080 weights 4.7lbs vs a much less powerful Macbook Pro's 4lbs. Thickness of 0.7" vs 0.61"
  - TylerE 8y ago
    That doesn't have a mechanical keyboard, which will add quite a bit of weight and thickness (which adds more weight). The one laptop that ACTUALLY has a mechnical keyboard, the MSI GT83, weighs 13lbs not counting the 2 (!!) 330w power supplies. Shipping weight is 24 lbs.
    - lmorchard 8y ago
      Honestly, that machine is more a "luggable" than a laptop, in the grand tradition that includes Kaypro CP/M and Commodore SX-64 luggables with built-in CRTs.
    - hu3 8y ago
      It does have a mechanical keyboard: https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade-pro https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade-pro edit: screenshot for posterity https://i.imgur.com/D1Fyrtv.png https://i.imgur.com/D1Fyrtv.png

__d 8y ago

They could just re-release the mid-2014 15", and I think they'd sell a bunch of them. Add a motherboard update to new CPU and make it expandable to 32GB RAM, and they'd fly off the shelves.

caycep 8y ago
I'd just take a model that enables NVME..I have the last model where the hardware was there but they were emulating SATA still
tracker1 8y ago
Yeah, would be happy with their 2010-2012 layout for keyboard/trackpad... 2014-2015 for trackpad interface and USB A/C and headphone jack. Modern CPU and 32-64gb ram. At this point, next laptop may well be a linux box... likely going the same when I replace my desktop later in the year.