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DeepMind readies first commercial product
- neonate 8y agohttps://outline.com/EpGqWm https://outline.com/EpGqWm
- arhyth 8y agothanks for the outline. article was behind a paywall from my end.
- hiei 8y agothanks
- browsercoin2019 8y agoWas gonna complain that ft was behind a paywall. Ty.
- Cypher 8y agoyou should still complain, this nonsense has to end.
- hyperbovine 8y agoI’ll bet you say the same thing when you are forced to pay for groceries before eating them.
- james_s_tayler 8y agoKarl Marx said the same thing about collecting firewood in the forest.
- genera1 8y agoBecause, as with groceries, you're depriving someone else of content by consuming it. You wouldn't download a car. It's the most disingenuous argument against free media (or piracy etc) that's being thrown around.
- hyperbovine 8y ago> It's the most disingenuous argument No, it's not. I actually used to write for a newspaper before. These days, they are shoestring operations locked in a constant battle for financial survival. The stories are written by real people who get paid (very little) real money. Take that out of the equation and the news goes away. I deeply value journalism and want it to survive. The level of entitlement evinced by you, gp, and many others on this site as regards the whole "information wants to be free" meme is simply stunning. Like, you really haven't given a moment's thought to what "free" implies here.
- genera1 8y agoWhile I do agree with some concerns about quality journalism, and I want it to survive, I find the specific argument you used to be disingenuous. We're dealing with perfectly and infinitely reproducible 'product'. Any scarcity here is artificially imposed. It's not like with groceries, where we have finite amount of goods, that can only be consumed once. I know, that reality of dealing with non-scarce goods doesn't gel very well with free-market capitalism, but I think limiting access to journalism (and IP laws such as copyrights and patents) is a net negative for our society, so we shouldn't resort to bending our only post-scarcity type of good into a scarcity driven economic system.
- hyperbovine 8y agoSplendid. Impressive. Who pays? It’s a very simple question I’m asking you.
- genera1 8y agoGet rid of market capitalism and nobody has to
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- kaolti 8y agoI'm sure you're joking. Information is not a consumable, it doesn't get used up in the process.
- hyperbovine 8y agoAnd yet it still costs money to produce...
- tozeur 8y agoNonsense? Why do you say that? Is it nonsense that a publication needs to pay its employees? Is it nonsense that non-ad driven revenue allows a publication to focus on quality material versus optimizing for clicks?
- Dangeranger 8y agoMost publications including the New York Times allow for a limited number of free article views before a paywall is imposed. That approach allows for casual viewers to get a feel for the content, without open access to all the material.
- bufferoverflow 8y agoYou would be right if the article had some unique exclusive information. It doesn't. Maybe HN should ban paywalled sources.
- dclusin 8y agohttps://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome No need to rely on third party service.
- r3bl 8y agohttps://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox No need to rely on Chrome.
- sverhagen 8y agoDo you know why it's not added to the official directory of Firefox Add-ons?
- sah2ed 8y agoDude, don’t leave everyone hanging, spill the beans!
- sverhagen 8y agoMe? It wasn't rhetorical, I really don't know. But I installed it from GitHub. When I first tried that on my phone, I mistook the popup in question for my device saying it wouldn't do it for security reasons, which made me think I should get it from the Add-Ons directory instead (but couldn't find).
- propogandist 8y agoThe add-on is encouraging/enabling piracy of paid content. FF and Google will get legal pressure from news publications if they put this in their official stores
- retube 8y agothis is stealing content right?
- skrebbel 8y agoyes
- nobodyshere 8y agonope
- JeremyBanks 8y agoDang, ban this.
- gdy 8y agoDang, could you possibly ban Jeremy?
- papermill 8y agoThank you.
- sucrose 8y agoActually surprised this service hasn't been turned into an HN bot yet.
- noname120 8y agoOn FT outline only does a summary, check the bottom of the page: " Summary Data Page length reduced by 38% ⏱️ 3 min read"
- escapecharacter 8y agoI’m offering name suggestions: DeepEye AEye
- jcims 8y agoDeepPeep
- mrhappyunhappy 8y agoMindSweep
- doitLP 8y ago(Sk)EyeNet
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- melling 8y agoAI is being developed to make MRI scans 10x faster. https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/08/20/facebook-aims-to-make-mri-scans-10x-faster-with-nyu/#5a5f7fd87a04 https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/08/20/facebook-ai... If DeepMind is trained on millions of MRI’s, we might have better preventative medicine.
- eismcc 8y agoThis assumes that’s what medical companies want. If we get closer to full value based care, then yes.
- xiphias2 8y agoWhich medical company doesn't want to move costs down? You don't need high costs to charge a lot.
- eismcc 8y agoIf your business is making money on treating issues, preventing them isn’t aligned. Worst case, you neglect issues until they get to a point where you start making money. Legacy dialysis business is a good exsmple - they need ass-in-seats to justify clinics, so prevention isn’t as big a priority. Also, doctors often have shares in clinic revenue.
- sergers 8y agoA friend of mind works for a software company that was utilizing Medq AI's brain bleed/hemorrhage detection Algorithm to identify urgent cases to be reviewed by a radiologist. They were pitching it to a medical group, and they were like that's great for patient care but how does it cut costs to the organization...
- xiphias2 8y agoThis makes sense, but Facebook / Google have enough resources to push their solutions onto the hospitals (give few years for free, maybe give the CEO some other fun stuff).
- mrhappyunhappy 8y agoWhat’s next, an AI to make a judicial verdict? Seriously though, this is very exciting. I can imagine a future in which medical diagnosis is damn near 100% accurate - all you need to do is lay down and get scanned and smelled by an all in one machine and your diagnosis is displayed with recommended treatment. If treatable with drugs or molecular repair, done on the spot.
- gervase 8y ago> an AI to make a judicial verdict? There is some discussion towards this direction: https://www.wired.com/story/can-ai-be-fair-judge-court-estonia-thinks-so/ https://www.wired.com/story/can-ai-be-fair-judge-court-eston...
- pm90 8y agoI hope AI can assist in the knowledge gathering phases, and for civil cases I think it can be a huge value add. For criminal cases though: the current judicial system is wayy too punitive. And an AI that would apply the letter of the law would likely criminalize society even more than what has already happened so far. One happy scenario would be if the laws were more responsive and were changed to not be so punitive since the AI would have a high rate of conviction. But then, you might have other failure scenarios. Rich people buying AI programmers and hackers to mess with the system. Its a constant game of outsmarting the latest tech.
- browsercoin2019 8y agoThis would be a major holy grail and a turning point where major professional analysis and decision making are are outsourced to AI services. You would have a hybrid of lawyers with AI and that should lower the costs....unless the other defendant counsel uses their own AI to raise the costs. We are in for some truly exciting times.
- dr1337 8y agoThe cost blowout in healthcare isn't due to diagnosis or care but administrative costs. All these diagnostic AIs won't significantly reduce the cost of healthcare nor improve quality. What we really need is automated administration and billings to really move the needle and that's more human bottlenecked than technology.
- fluffycat 8y agoThey could be actually better and much faster than humans for initial diagnosis. This has far greater implications, e.g. early detection actually reduces big burden from system.
- easytiger 8y agoThat has been available since the 1970s. Healthcare is not a very complex compsci issue for 80% of cases. The problem is presentation of symptoms is highly subjective and needs highly complex interpretation that no AI will ever be able to achieve and deal with the liability conundrum
- fluffycat 8y agoNo one claims AI will be the authority, it is good for finding candidates much earlier. We never had devices that has success rate of specialists on several eye problems in one go, definitely not in 70s. I don't understand what you are arguing against to be honest.
- leesec 8y ago>that no AI will ever be able to achieve The Luddites are back! We'll see how this prediction holds up in 30 years.
- wsgeorge 8y agoThat user talked about "liability"
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- baylearn 8y agoApril Fools!
- make3 8y agoI thought DeepMind's actual first commercial product is Google Cloud Services premium voice generation service (made from WaveNet)
- sergers 8y agoMaybe it's semantics? Google cloud services voice generation uses models/algorithms developed by DeepMind, it's not directly a DeepMind product.
- ionwake 8y agoHow does one invest in deepmind ?
- onion2k 8y agoBuy shares in GOOGL.
- olalonde 8y agoUnrelated but anyone knows why the URL is not "SEO friendly"? I'm guessing they don't bother because the content is behind a paywall anyways?
- sgt101 8y agoPresumably there will have to be a proper medical trial with a declared up front hypothesis and double blind testing?
- rwmj 8y agoI couldn't read the article, but I wonder if the NHS will get this for free, since we "gave" them all our data in order to train the model.
- dmurray 8y ago> A DeepMind spokesperson said that if the research results in a product that passes clinical trials and regulatory approvals, doctors at Moorfields will be able to use the product for free for an initial period of five years.
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- skwb 8y agoDepends on the data transfer agreements. However, there are plenty of way you can use public data if even you don't end up using the actual data in the final commercialized model. You just got to be clever. ;)
- gulbrandr 8y agoFor those not being able to read the article, you can use this "no paywall" bookmark: javascript:window.location.href='https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u='+encodeURIComponent(window.location.href);
- signa11 8y agodidn't deep-mind folks tried controlling one of the data-centers which ended up reducing the overall power requirements a while back ? i was hoping that they would go that route...