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> So then nothing here is Uber's fault, and Uber shouldn't get any blame. Interesting that this is the line of thought that you decided to follow and refute, d

> So then nothing here is Uber's fault, and Uber shouldn't get any blame. Interesting that this is the line of thought that you decided to follow and refute, despite the fact that I never claimed that Uber was at fault for those particular problems a person may face. I'm not really a fan of engaging strawmen. It's entirely possible that for some people, driving for Uber is a rational choice. It is also entirely possible that Uber is undervaluing their labor and taking advantage of them. Hope this helps.

grecy 8y ago
> Interesting that this is the line of thought that you decided to follow and refute, despite the fact that I never claimed that Uber was at fault for those particular problems a person may face Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that you did say Uber was at fault... I was just trying to clarify the train of thought and understand the conclusions that we can draw. i.e. corporations are not at fault for people being poor and homeless and unable to get better jobs - that's clearly a government problem. Every minute we spend blaming Uber/WalMart/McDonalds/etc for that is another minute we're distracted from the actual cause of the problem, and identifying a fix.
chii 8y ago
How can choosing uber rationally as a driver, and be taken advantage of by uber both be true at the same time? If a driver chose uber rationally, that means they have considered all their options, and this is their best one. Therefore, uber is not undervaluing their labour, nor is taking advantage (where 'taking advantage' means to trick or coerce through any means to lead to the person to choose uber rather than the proper rational choice).
- akudha 8y ago
  How can choosing uber rationally as a driver, and be taken advantage of by uber both be true at the same time? Someone might rationally decide to drive for Uber, not because that is their best option, but because that could be their least worst option, among a list of shitty options. If Uber and Instacart are my only options, and I decide to go with Uber, I am still making a rational choice. But only because I think Instacart is worse than Uber. That doesn't mean these companies aren't taking advantage of me, it just means one is less shitty than the other.

grecy 8y ago

> Interesting that this is the line of thought that you decided to follow and refute, despite the fact that I never claimed that Uber was at fault for those particular problems a person may face Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that you did say Uber was at fault... I was just trying to clarify the train of thought and understand the conclusions that we can draw. i.e. corporations are not at fault for people being poor and homeless and unable to get better jobs - that's clearly a government problem. Every minute we spend blaming Uber/WalMart/McDonalds/etc for that is another minute we're distracted from the actual cause of the problem, and identifying a fix.

chii 8y ago

How can choosing uber rationally as a driver, and be taken advantage of by uber both be true at the same time? If a driver chose uber rationally, that means they have considered all their options, and this is their best one. Therefore, uber is not undervaluing their labour, nor is taking advantage (where 'taking advantage' means to trick or coerce through any means to lead to the person to choose uber rather than the proper rational choice).

akudha 8y ago
How can choosing uber rationally as a driver, and be taken advantage of by uber both be true at the same time? Someone might rationally decide to drive for Uber, not because that is their best option, but because that could be their least worst option, among a list of shitty options. If Uber and Instacart are my only options, and I decide to go with Uber, I am still making a rational choice. But only because I think Instacart is worse than Uber. That doesn't mean these companies aren't taking advantage of me, it just means one is less shitty than the other.