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> "A few years ago some of Mark's posts were mistakenly deleted due to technical errors. The work required to restore them would have been extensive and not gua

by ardy42 8y ago

> "A few years ago some of Mark's posts were mistakenly deleted due to technical errors. The work required to restore them would have been extensive and not guaranteed to be successful so we didn't do it," the spokesperson said in a statement. > ... > These disappearances, along with other changes Facebook has made to how it saves its archive of announcements and blog posts, make it much harder to parse the social network's historical record. This makes it far more difficult to hold the company, and Zuckerberg himself, accountable to past statements — particularly during a period of intense scrutiny of the company in the wake of a string of scandals. I frankly don't believe them at all. This is the same company that implemented special features to automatically delete his old FB Messenger messages in a way unavailable to normal users, so it would be harder for them to come back to haunt him: https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/zuckerberg-deleted-messages/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/zuckerberg-deleted-message.... They have zero credibility in this regard.

devoply 8y ago
Yeah he might have billions of dollars, but it was just too expensive to restore his data. Might've cost something like hundreds or maybe even thousands of dollars. Who can afford that in this day and age? We say data should be ephemeral and easily forgotten so everyone isn't held to account for every little thing they do in the past on the social network.
- AckSyn 8y ago
  Time = money. It probably wasn't worth it. Even if it wasn't an accident, who really cares?
- jodrellblank 8y ago
  Remember when trees didn't rot when they died, the wood just piled up? That's where we are with data. In the early days data was scarce and valuable. Then it was ubiquitous. Now it's a fire risk. One day it will be not just default, but good, that data rots.
chrisco255 8y ago
It's kinda weird to hold someone accountable for things they said 10+ years ago. That's a weird "feature" of modern Life, but it's only been possible since this century.
- flatline 8y ago
  People have memories too you know. Why should someone’s close associates be the only ones with insight into a person’s true character? People can change a lot in 10 years, so whatever criticism is levied against them may no longer be applicable. But people also tend to get better at hiding their real thoughts, especially if they are now a public figure, and don’t always change in consistent or even good ways over time.
- wolco 8y ago
  Some books have words and ideas from many hundreds of years ago. Newspapers as well. Statements in court are written down as well.
  - chrisco255 8y ago
    Yeah, but books were always intentional works of art in which a lot of thought goes into them. Newspapers would at best record public interviews or press conferences but even then they would often paraphrase. Admit it, casual speech recorded for posterity is a weird feature of modern life.
    - snarfy 8y ago
      They always threatened in school 'this will go down on your permanent record', and then we went ahead and built one.
    - Barrin92 8y ago
      Public utterances from the CEO's of billion dollar companies historically landed in newspapers or archives so I don't see how it is accurate to say that this sort of speech was somehow ephemeral in the past.
robkop 8y ago
Worth noting that this 'feature' on messenger is now available to all users although it is limited to 10 minutes and not years ago.
underwater 8y ago
Why is it weird? Companies can define email retention policies for their systems. Facebook (the company) uses Facebook (the product) as a communications platform, so Messages fills the same purpose as Slack or email would. Facebook's Workplace product advertises "Schedule content retention/deletion based on your policy" as a feature[1]. The only reason they needed to manually delete Zuck's old messages is that Facebook's usage of the product in this way predates Workplace. 1: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/workplace/integrations/compliance-integrations/ https://developers.facebook.com/docs/workplace/integrations/...

by ardy42 8y ago

devoply 8y ago

Yeah he might have billions of dollars, but it was just too expensive to restore his data. Might've cost something like hundreds or maybe even thousands of dollars. Who can afford that in this day and age? We say data should be ephemeral and easily forgotten so everyone isn't held to account for every little thing they do in the past on the social network.

AckSyn 8y ago
Time = money. It probably wasn't worth it. Even if it wasn't an accident, who really cares?
jodrellblank 8y ago
Remember when trees didn't rot when they died, the wood just piled up? That's where we are with data. In the early days data was scarce and valuable. Then it was ubiquitous. Now it's a fire risk. One day it will be not just default, but good, that data rots.

chrisco255 8y ago

It's kinda weird to hold someone accountable for things they said 10+ years ago. That's a weird "feature" of modern Life, but it's only been possible since this century.

flatline 8y ago
People have memories too you know. Why should someone’s close associates be the only ones with insight into a person’s true character? People can change a lot in 10 years, so whatever criticism is levied against them may no longer be applicable. But people also tend to get better at hiding their real thoughts, especially if they are now a public figure, and don’t always change in consistent or even good ways over time.
wolco 8y ago
Some books have words and ideas from many hundreds of years ago. Newspapers as well. Statements in court are written down as well.
- chrisco255 8y ago
  Yeah, but books were always intentional works of art in which a lot of thought goes into them. Newspapers would at best record public interviews or press conferences but even then they would often paraphrase. Admit it, casual speech recorded for posterity is a weird feature of modern life.
  - snarfy 8y ago
    They always threatened in school 'this will go down on your permanent record', and then we went ahead and built one.
  - Barrin92 8y ago
    Public utterances from the CEO's of billion dollar companies historically landed in newspapers or archives so I don't see how it is accurate to say that this sort of speech was somehow ephemeral in the past.

robkop 8y ago

Worth noting that this 'feature' on messenger is now available to all users although it is limited to 10 minutes and not years ago.

underwater 8y ago

Why is it weird? Companies can define email retention policies for their systems. Facebook (the company) uses Facebook (the product) as a communications platform, so Messages fills the same purpose as Slack or email would. Facebook's Workplace product advertises "Schedule content retention/deletion based on your policy" as a feature[1]. The only reason they needed to manually delete Zuck's old messages is that Facebook's usage of the product in this way predates Workplace. 1: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/workplace/integrations/compliance-integrations/ https://developers.facebook.com/docs/workplace/integrations/...