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Words have meaning, and people know what those meanings are. "White nationalist" does not mean "white people who like their country" and it's disingenuous to pr

Words have meaning, and people know what those meanings are. "White nationalist" does not mean "white people who like their country" and it's disingenuous to pretend it does.

atmosx 8y ago
There is an infinite number of definitions for “like their country”. Nazis in Greece like their country or what they perceive as “their country”.
fastball 8y ago
It's much more disingenuous to pretend that words and phrases have universal meanings.
- azernik 8y ago
  Universal isn't necessary. Well-understood in the American political context is sufficient.
CarlSchmitt 8y ago
Not really...members of the MSM and random Twitter blue checkmarks had no issues calling Polish Nationalists "Nazis" and "White nationalists"...it is a legitimate political view to keep Poland Polish or Hungary Hungarian...are these "White nationalist" views or something different?
- yawaramin 8y ago
  That depends. When you say 'Keep Poland Polish', what exactly do you mean?
- deleted 8y ago
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jakeogh 8y ago
Wrong. It's a deliberate attempt to language engineer the idea that loving your country is bad. This is not new, the power structures that benefit from centralization (correctly) see national sovereignty as an obstacle. Note how you will never hear the term "ethnic supremacists" used by conventional media. It's too accurate and does not push the borderless agenda.
- codyb 8y ago
  I don’t think anyone’s mentioned policing patriotism. You can be as patriotic as you want. America’s great, I love our nation, it’s people, culture, and ideals. That’s different from saying things like “get that Spanish off the menu, this is America”, “go home foreigners”, and “immigrants are criminals”. I’m sure you can see the difference.
  - jakeogh 8y ago
    There will always be some junk quotes people can find (or make up!) to support their agenda. I don't really care what FB does, I prefer it to have all the rope it needs, but this normalization of taking and modifying the meaning of terms to fit the anti-borders narrative is dishonest and manipulative. Again, it's not even remotely a new thing, the anti-borders crowd has been gunning against nationalism time eternal.
    - Veraticus 8y ago
      "Loving your country" is not "white nationalism." You're the one trying to redefine terms if you believe it is.
      - jakeogh 8y ago
        It's an inherently dishonest frame. I cant imagine running around talking about "(insert color) nationalists" when actually referring to people promoting segregation of citizens.
        8y ago

Words have meaning, and people know what those meanings are. "White nationalist" does not mean "white people who like their country" and it's disingenuous to pretend it does.

atmosx 8y ago

There is an infinite number of definitions for “like their country”. Nazis in Greece like their country or what they perceive as “their country”.

fastball 8y ago

It's much more disingenuous to pretend that words and phrases have universal meanings.

azernik 8y ago
Universal isn't necessary. Well-understood in the American political context is sufficient.

CarlSchmitt 8y ago

Not really...members of the MSM and random Twitter blue checkmarks had no issues calling Polish Nationalists "Nazis" and "White nationalists"...it is a legitimate political view to keep Poland Polish or Hungary Hungarian...are these "White nationalist" views or something different?

yawaramin 8y ago
That depends. When you say 'Keep Poland Polish', what exactly do you mean?
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jakeogh 8y ago

Wrong. It's a deliberate attempt to language engineer the idea that loving your country is bad. This is not new, the power structures that benefit from centralization (correctly) see national sovereignty as an obstacle. Note how you will never hear the term "ethnic supremacists" used by conventional media. It's too accurate and does not push the borderless agenda.

codyb 8y ago
I don’t think anyone’s mentioned policing patriotism. You can be as patriotic as you want. America’s great, I love our nation, it’s people, culture, and ideals. That’s different from saying things like “get that Spanish off the menu, this is America”, “go home foreigners”, and “immigrants are criminals”. I’m sure you can see the difference.
- jakeogh 8y ago
  There will always be some junk quotes people can find (or make up!) to support their agenda. I don't really care what FB does, I prefer it to have all the rope it needs, but this normalization of taking and modifying the meaning of terms to fit the anti-borders narrative is dishonest and manipulative. Again, it's not even remotely a new thing, the anti-borders crowd has been gunning against nationalism time eternal.
  - Veraticus 8y ago
    "Loving your country" is not "white nationalism." You're the one trying to redefine terms if you believe it is.
    - jakeogh 8y ago
      It's an inherently dishonest frame. I cant imagine running around talking about "(insert color) nationalists" when actually referring to people promoting segregation of citizens.
      - 8y ago