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I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off

I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off for wages far lower.

ohaideredevs 8y ago
I guess it stems from the fact that developers are one of the few groups which CAN dictate some things. We do forget that other jobs come with 14 hour shifts, no breaks, no health insurance, and constantly being on-call for a 5th of the salary. That doesn't mean that devs shouldn't push for decent conditions though. Also, while devs "have it good," it's nothing near what lawyers and doctors made, so before patting ourselves on the shoulder and thinking we made it, we should keep tht in mind.
- rak00n 8y ago
  The other part of the argument is programming doesn't scale the same way. A sleep deprived waiter can fulfill his tasks while a programmer cannot perform on the same acceptable par.
- tangym 8y ago
  devps use brains a lot
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daemonk 8y ago
Other people have it worse so it's okay to remain in a shitty situation? I don't think we should treat this like a victim competition.
Celarnor 8y ago
I wish I could work 12 hour days. :P
- maimeowmeow 8y ago
  It really build discipline, and work ethic that non model citizens envy. Not losing social credit is just a thoughtful bonus.
surge 8y ago
It's not uncommon for them to work one 12 hour shift one or two times a week, and usually done voluntarily for extra pay. The shit they're talking about violates labor laws in the US and is done 6 days a week. No one is physically capable of that for a non-desk job for very long so if anything, that's not true because its simply unsustainable.
- calimac 8y ago
  Does anyone keep track of the Amazon warehouse working conditions. They keep an ambulance outside of my local prime warehouse. It's common in summer and Christmas to have half a dozen medical incidents a week.
lima 8y ago
Come to Europe, where it's illegal for waiters to work 12 hour days.
raxxorrax 8y ago
Not uncommon, but still crazy. And there is not much justification to do so. No developer can regularly work for 12 hours. 5 hours should be our target. Less pretending to work would be so much more efficient. I am not willing to further escalate inferiority complexes with others.
timwaagh 8y ago
from what i understand, they just want the overtime pay they are legally entitled to according to their interpretation of PRC law.

I wonder why developers think they need special protections that other workers do not have. It is not uncommon for waiters to work 12 hour days, with 1 day off for wages far lower.

ohaideredevs 8y ago

I guess it stems from the fact that developers are one of the few groups which CAN dictate some things. We do forget that other jobs come with 14 hour shifts, no breaks, no health insurance, and constantly being on-call for a 5th of the salary. That doesn't mean that devs shouldn't push for decent conditions though. Also, while devs "have it good," it's nothing near what lawyers and doctors made, so before patting ourselves on the shoulder and thinking we made it, we should keep tht in mind.

rak00n 8y ago
The other part of the argument is programming doesn't scale the same way. A sleep deprived waiter can fulfill his tasks while a programmer cannot perform on the same acceptable par.
tangym 8y ago
devps use brains a lot

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daemonk 8y ago

Other people have it worse so it's okay to remain in a shitty situation? I don't think we should treat this like a victim competition.

Celarnor 8y ago

I wish I could work 12 hour days. :P

maimeowmeow 8y ago
It really build discipline, and work ethic that non model citizens envy. Not losing social credit is just a thoughtful bonus.

surge 8y ago

It's not uncommon for them to work one 12 hour shift one or two times a week, and usually done voluntarily for extra pay. The shit they're talking about violates labor laws in the US and is done 6 days a week. No one is physically capable of that for a non-desk job for very long so if anything, that's not true because its simply unsustainable.

calimac 8y ago
Does anyone keep track of the Amazon warehouse working conditions. They keep an ambulance outside of my local prime warehouse. It's common in summer and Christmas to have half a dozen medical incidents a week.

lima 8y ago

Come to Europe, where it's illegal for waiters to work 12 hour days.

raxxorrax 8y ago

Not uncommon, but still crazy. And there is not much justification to do so. No developer can regularly work for 12 hours. 5 hours should be our target. Less pretending to work would be so much more efficient. I am not willing to further escalate inferiority complexes with others.

timwaagh 8y ago

from what i understand, they just want the overtime pay they are legally entitled to according to their interpretation of PRC law.