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Surprised no one mentioned the documented reason: the VirnetX parent lawsuits, which were also why Apple had to stop using P2P in FaceTime. https://arstechnica

Surprised no one mentioned the documented reason: the VirnetX parent lawsuits, which were also why Apple had to stop using P2P in FaceTime. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/after-200m-patent-settlement-with-microsoft-virnetx-sues-for-more/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/after-200m-patent-se...

TomMarius 8y ago
Apparently patents in this form need to be abolished ASAP. Human society can't afford anything like this standing in the way of widespread usage of such well known and well available technologies. Please, let's all go and short that patent troll.
- 0xCMP 8y ago
  Apparently that troll also forced changes to Apple's handling of on-demand VPNs: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/apple-says-vpn-changes-coming-in-ios-thanks-to-virnetx-verdict/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/apple-says-vpn-chang...
- sandov 8y ago
  IMO, all patents need to be abolished ASAP. They're a bad idea to begin with, and this case is just particularly ridiculous. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
  - takeda 8y ago
    Maybe for technology. The patents are still somewhat useful outside IMO. The whole idea about patent was that you could enjoy temporary monopoly in exchange of disclosing information about your invention. For example thanks to patents we have generic version of medication, instead of them being trade secrets. Yes I know there are other things like drug approval that requires disclosing this information but that works together with patents.
    - dredmorbius 8y ago
      Go back through history and you'll find otherwise.
      - alehul 8y ago
        Can you cite some knowledge and links for us, beyond "go back through history"? :)
        dredmorbius 8y ago
        Radio, light bulbs, steam, diesel, and Otto-cycle engines, television, software, pharmaceuticals, ...
        dredmorbius 8y ago
        And, more substantively: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212567113000476 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221256711...
  - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
    Patents are fine when the invention is truly novel. However, we should be much more strict about what we are willing to grant patents for.
  - black-tea 8y ago
    Software patents, yes. They never should have happened. Stallman was right etc. Other patents have very different behaviour and consequences. One of the worst things about "IP" law is that it causes people to bundle together vastly different concepts.
- LateRuin 8y ago
  I dont think you know what it means to short
lebed2045 8y ago
Can anyone explain to me why so many companies invest in VirnetX? it's pure evil. https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/vhc/institutional-holdings https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/vhc/institutional-holdings
- eximius 8y ago
  Money is the root of all evil, etc
  - miscreanity 8y ago
    "Love of money is the root of many evils." It's a subtle but important distinction: money of any kind is a tool, existing for a valid purpose; otherwise inert. Accumulating money in a manner viewing it as a score versus others easily leads to looking down on those who have less, and to practices that optimize return over anything else. This can dehumanize others in the eyes of a money lover. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_money https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_money
- djakjxnanjak 8y ago
  Most of the top holders of any big public company are funds that invest in every big public company.
- collinmanderson 8y ago
  Some big company should try to to buy up enough stock to control the patents.
MarcysVonEylau 8y ago
> VirnetX filed suit in the East Texas judicial district that it favors That sounds like good patent troll. Did they create any product using the patented technology or just Sue everyone?

TomMarius 8y ago

Apparently patents in this form need to be abolished ASAP. Human society can't afford anything like this standing in the way of widespread usage of such well known and well available technologies. Please, let's all go and short that patent troll.

0xCMP 8y ago
Apparently that troll also forced changes to Apple's handling of on-demand VPNs: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/apple-says-vpn-changes-coming-in-ios-thanks-to-virnetx-verdict/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/apple-says-vpn-chang...
sandov 8y ago
IMO, all patents need to be abolished ASAP. They're a bad idea to begin with, and this case is just particularly ridiculous. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
- takeda 8y ago
  Maybe for technology. The patents are still somewhat useful outside IMO. The whole idea about patent was that you could enjoy temporary monopoly in exchange of disclosing information about your invention. For example thanks to patents we have generic version of medication, instead of them being trade secrets. Yes I know there are other things like drug approval that requires disclosing this information but that works together with patents.
  - dredmorbius 8y ago
    Go back through history and you'll find otherwise.
    - alehul 8y ago
      Can you cite some knowledge and links for us, beyond "go back through history"? :)
      - dredmorbius 8y ago
        Radio, light bulbs, steam, diesel, and Otto-cycle engines, television, software, pharmaceuticals, ...
      - dredmorbius 8y ago
        And, more substantively: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212567113000476 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221256711...
- Wowfunhappy 8y ago
  Patents are fine when the invention is truly novel. However, we should be much more strict about what we are willing to grant patents for.
- black-tea 8y ago
  Software patents, yes. They never should have happened. Stallman was right etc. Other patents have very different behaviour and consequences. One of the worst things about "IP" law is that it causes people to bundle together vastly different concepts.
LateRuin 8y ago
I dont think you know what it means to short

lebed2045 8y ago

Can anyone explain to me why so many companies invest in VirnetX? it's pure evil. https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/vhc/institutional-holdings https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/vhc/institutional-holdings

eximius 8y ago
Money is the root of all evil, etc
- miscreanity 8y ago
  "Love of money is the root of many evils." It's a subtle but important distinction: money of any kind is a tool, existing for a valid purpose; otherwise inert. Accumulating money in a manner viewing it as a score versus others easily leads to looking down on those who have less, and to practices that optimize return over anything else. This can dehumanize others in the eyes of a money lover. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_money https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_of_money
djakjxnanjak 8y ago
Most of the top holders of any big public company are funds that invest in every big public company.
collinmanderson 8y ago
Some big company should try to to buy up enough stock to control the patents.

MarcysVonEylau 8y ago

> VirnetX filed suit in the East Texas judicial district that it favors That sounds like good patent troll. Did they create any product using the patented technology or just Sue everyone?