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In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk a

In Europe it's normal to use the military for a variety of reasons. Specially since military draft was made voluntary, in Italy the military are used to walk around at train stations, help out in case of protests, etc. Actually, in Italy we have two institutions that are seen as "police": Police and Carabinieri. Carabinieri are exactly the same, but they're part of the military. As for: > Macron is still seen by a large part of the mainstream media as this savior of European civilization and democracy The media is usually biased towards left-wing ideology, with a globalist spin. Since Macron embodies both those ideals, it's easy to see why he gets helped by the media. I have no idea why the French would think that a banker who married his high-school teacher would be one of them. He definitely turned out NOT to be on the side of the average French citizen.

_ph_ 8y ago
I checked with a French friend, in France (like in Germany) it is illegal to send military forces to do any kind of police like duties. However, under the "terror fighting" emergencies still active, military forces are on French streets.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  The line between police and military in France is a bit blurry, given that the two national police forces - police nationale and gendarmerie nationale - are themselves part of the French military. Hell, the Paris fire department is an Army unit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Fire_Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Fire_Brigade
  - Juliate 8y ago
    Police Nationale is not part of the military. And fire department and Gendarmerie Nationale being army units has more to do with historical/organizational/governance reasons, than with a military-specific purpose. GN core mission is one of police, pretty similar to PN. Nothing related with the main army corps.
selimthegrim 8y ago
What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  > What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? For the leader of a country, character is important. If I was French it would definitely worry me that my president dated his 40-year-old high school teacher when he was 16, and married a woman 25 years older than him. Not the average Frenchman--which was my point. > Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power. I have no idea what you're talking about.
  - selimthegrim 8y ago
    Can you spell out what about it worries you? As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fun-thoughts-on-w-1833191803 https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu...
    - Chris_Chambers 8y ago
      Stop pretending you don’t think it’s weird.
    - nkkollaw 8y ago
      > Can you spell out what about it worries you? Nothing worries me, really. I'm Italian and live in Poland, I care very little about France and what happens over there. I also care very little what other people do, and only comment on Macron because he's a public figure. I just think it's extremely creepy, and wonder how he managed to get elected despite that aspect of his personal life, and the fact that he's a banker. Politicians are regularly attacked (or at least judged) by what they do in their personal lives. They're public figures and represent the country, after all. > As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu. Thanks for the link, and I don't know that publication, but the articles next to that are "How to Write a Condolence Note" and "How to Select the Right Therapist for You"..?
orwin 8y ago
Well. He is seen as right-wing in france (i.e close to the money). Average older citizen do like people who will protect their rent system and who seems to add stability, that's why they voted for him. Wheras most of my non-economically challenged younger friends prefer a bit of chaos and a high-ish inflation, and did not.
- pessimizer 8y ago
  He is currently considered left-wing when compared to neonazis and white separatists, though. A lot of people (including neonazis and white separatists) currently think of the left-right continuum as being extreme left (think racism, sexism, and homophobia are really bad) -> center (don't care about politics) -> extreme right (think racism, sexism, and homophobia are really good.) Being somewhere in between entails only thinking some of those things are really good, or only thinking some of those things are really bad, or thinking all of those things are only a little good, or thinking all of those things are only a little bad. If you judge people based on policy or economics, neither Macron nor massive media corporations are on the left.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    The percentage of the population who is a neo-Nazi and let alone white separatists is negligible. Why is everyone obsessed with them nowadays? And why are you including me in that group (since you said only neo-Nazis believe Macron is left-wing). That's extremely weird.
    - morsch 8y ago
      since you said only neo-Nazis believe Macron is left-wing Pessimizer neither said or even implied that.
adev_ 8y ago
> The media is usually biased towards left-wing ideology, with a globalist spin. Since Macron embodies both those ideals, it's easy to see why he gets helped by the media. Ahahah, the good joke. Most medias, everywhere world-wide are owned by billionars and follow the media-line of their owner. These guys are of course, conservative, right side, sometimes liberal .... but definitively not "left". Qualifying guys like Ruppert Murdoch, Bloomberg, Dassault or Bollore (in France) of "left" ( or the medias they own ) is as idiotic as calling Trump a communist. > I have no idea why the French would think that a banker who married his high-school teacher would be one of them. He definitely turned out NOT to be on the side of the average French citizen. Maybe because the other choice was the daughter of a old extreme right dynasty from a party funded by old nazis and negationists. Maybe.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  > Ahahah, the good joke. Mmm... Can you explain the media in the US are so much against Trump--with the majority of journalists still pushing for fake news about Russian bots and government intervention even after official investigations are closed, and with some of them even crying live when the Muller investigation conclusions came out? Or, can you explain why most major news outlets in the States are categorized as biased towards left-wing causes on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com https://mediabiasfactcheck.com? > Maybe because the other choice was the daughter of a old extreme right dynasty from a party funded by old nazis and negationists. Maybe. I have no idea if that's true, but one shouldn't be punished for what his/her parents did (unless you're in North Korea I guess).
  - phillnom 8y ago
    Being against Trump doesn't make them leftists.
    - nkkollaw 8y ago
      Yes I think it kind of does. And a few other things.

_ph_ 8y ago

I checked with a French friend, in France (like in Germany) it is illegal to send military forces to do any kind of police like duties. However, under the "terror fighting" emergencies still active, military forces are on French streets.

ceejayoz 8y ago
The line between police and military in France is a bit blurry, given that the two national police forces - police nationale and gendarmerie nationale - are themselves part of the French military. Hell, the Paris fire department is an Army unit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Fire_Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Fire_Brigade
- Juliate 8y ago
  Police Nationale is not part of the military. And fire department and Gendarmerie Nationale being army units has more to do with historical/organizational/governance reasons, than with a military-specific purpose. GN core mission is one of police, pretty similar to PN. Nothing related with the main army corps.

selimthegrim 8y ago

What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power.

nkkollaw 8y ago
> What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? For the leader of a country, character is important. If I was French it would definitely worry me that my president dated his 40-year-old high school teacher when he was 16, and married a woman 25 years older than him. Not the average Frenchman--which was my point. > Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a big deal and presumably you don’t too until the male involved grows up and actually holds power. I have no idea what you're talking about.
- selimthegrim 8y ago
  Can you spell out what about it worries you? As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fun-thoughts-on-w-1833191803 https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu...
  - Chris_Chambers 8y ago
    Stop pretending you don’t think it’s weird.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    > Can you spell out what about it worries you? Nothing worries me, really. I'm Italian and live in Poland, I care very little about France and what happens over there. I also care very little what other people do, and only comment on Macron because he's a public figure. I just think it's extremely creepy, and wonder how he managed to get elected despite that aspect of his personal life, and the fact that he's a banker. Politicians are regularly attacked (or at least judged) by what they do in their personal lives. They're public figures and represent the country, after all. > As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu. Thanks for the link, and I don't know that publication, but the articles next to that are "How to Write a Condolence Note" and "How to Select the Right Therapist for You"..?

orwin 8y ago

Well. He is seen as right-wing in france (i.e close to the money). Average older citizen do like people who will protect their rent system and who seems to add stability, that's why they voted for him. Wheras most of my non-economically challenged younger friends prefer a bit of chaos and a high-ish inflation, and did not.

pessimizer 8y ago
He is currently considered left-wing when compared to neonazis and white separatists, though. A lot of people (including neonazis and white separatists) currently think of the left-right continuum as being extreme left (think racism, sexism, and homophobia are really bad) -> center (don't care about politics) -> extreme right (think racism, sexism, and homophobia are really good.) Being somewhere in between entails only thinking some of those things are really good, or only thinking some of those things are really bad, or thinking all of those things are only a little good, or thinking all of those things are only a little bad. If you judge people based on policy or economics, neither Macron nor massive media corporations are on the left.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  The percentage of the population who is a neo-Nazi and let alone white separatists is negligible. Why is everyone obsessed with them nowadays? And why are you including me in that group (since you said only neo-Nazis believe Macron is left-wing). That's extremely weird.
  - morsch 8y ago
    since you said only neo-Nazis believe Macron is left-wing Pessimizer neither said or even implied that.

adev_ 8y ago

> The media is usually biased towards left-wing ideology, with a globalist spin. Since Macron embodies both those ideals, it's easy to see why he gets helped by the media. Ahahah, the good joke. Most medias, everywhere world-wide are owned by billionars and follow the media-line of their owner. These guys are of course, conservative, right side, sometimes liberal .... but definitively not "left". Qualifying guys like Ruppert Murdoch, Bloomberg, Dassault or Bollore (in France) of "left" ( or the medias they own ) is as idiotic as calling Trump a communist. > I have no idea why the French would think that a banker who married his high-school teacher would be one of them. He definitely turned out NOT to be on the side of the average French citizen. Maybe because the other choice was the daughter of a old extreme right dynasty from a party funded by old nazis and negationists. Maybe.

nkkollaw 8y ago
> Ahahah, the good joke. Mmm... Can you explain the media in the US are so much against Trump--with the majority of journalists still pushing for fake news about Russian bots and government intervention even after official investigations are closed, and with some of them even crying live when the Muller investigation conclusions came out? Or, can you explain why most major news outlets in the States are categorized as biased towards left-wing causes on https://mediabiasfactcheck.com https://mediabiasfactcheck.com? > Maybe because the other choice was the daughter of a old extreme right dynasty from a party funded by old nazis and negationists. Maybe. I have no idea if that's true, but one shouldn't be punished for what his/her parents did (unless you're in North Korea I guess).
- phillnom 8y ago
  Being against Trump doesn't make them leftists.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    Yes I think it kind of does. And a few other things.