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Organic produce uses tons of pesticides some of which are really nasty (but hey it's "natural" copper sulfate), so that's not a solution to anything.

coldtea 8y ago
Depends on the organic produce.
devmunchies 8y ago
i thought organic by definition meant that it didn't use pesticides.
- wpasc 8y ago
  No it just means that it uses a particular subset of pesticides and follows certain parameters. Many people will argue that its just a nonsense credential while others will say "better than nothing". I personally count myself in the latter
- jerf 8y ago
  It depends on the definition of "organic". No sarcasm. There are many. And there is definitely a certain amount of deliberate equivocation whereby the product is labeled as "organic" according to one of the "weaker" standards and they expect you to read the word "organic" as one of the stronger ones, like "no pesticides at all".
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- mamon 8y ago
  The term "organic" only means something in Europe, because EU has much stricter rules regarding food quality and safety. In US it basically is just a marketing term meaning "overpriced food for hipsters".
  - cies 8y ago
    Really? We get a lot of "EU-ORG" (the leaf of stars logo) stuff that is also "USDA Organic" labelled. I wonder how many of those products do not have the EU-ORG label in the US. > EU has much stricter rules regarding food quality And within the EU the standards are also widely different, especially in the non-EU-ORG stuff.
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- copperx 8y ago
  Organic by definition means carbon-based. So the rule is: "no synthetic pesticides, only organic ones."
specialist 8y ago
This article explains the use of copper compounds for both conventional and organic apple crops is about the same. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/05/23/a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-pesticide-use-in-organic-orchards-vineyards-and-fresh-produce/ https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/05/23/a-behind-the-s... The author solicited input from many farmers. He openly admits the official record keeping is lacking. So in some cases he has to infer amounts. Author also gives examples of organic crops which are (generally) more damaging than conventional. Such as organic bananas. TIL. But the general gist is that organic techniques use much less of much less toxic pesticides.
copperx 8y ago
Ok, now you got me scared because copper is associated with Alzheimer's disease.

coldtea 8y ago

Depends on the organic produce.

devmunchies 8y ago

i thought organic by definition meant that it didn't use pesticides.

wpasc 8y ago
No it just means that it uses a particular subset of pesticides and follows certain parameters. Many people will argue that its just a nonsense credential while others will say "better than nothing". I personally count myself in the latter
jerf 8y ago
It depends on the definition of "organic". No sarcasm. There are many. And there is definitely a certain amount of deliberate equivocation whereby the product is labeled as "organic" according to one of the "weaker" standards and they expect you to read the word "organic" as one of the stronger ones, like "no pesticides at all".
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mamon 8y ago
The term "organic" only means something in Europe, because EU has much stricter rules regarding food quality and safety. In US it basically is just a marketing term meaning "overpriced food for hipsters".
- cies 8y ago
  Really? We get a lot of "EU-ORG" (the leaf of stars logo) stuff that is also "USDA Organic" labelled. I wonder how many of those products do not have the EU-ORG label in the US. > EU has much stricter rules regarding food quality And within the EU the standards are also widely different, especially in the non-EU-ORG stuff.
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copperx 8y ago
Organic by definition means carbon-based. So the rule is: "no synthetic pesticides, only organic ones."

specialist 8y ago

This article explains the use of copper compounds for both conventional and organic apple crops is about the same. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/05/23/a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-pesticide-use-in-organic-orchards-vineyards-and-fresh-produce/ https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/05/23/a-behind-the-s... The author solicited input from many farmers. He openly admits the official record keeping is lacking. So in some cases he has to infer amounts. Author also gives examples of organic crops which are (generally) more damaging than conventional. Such as organic bananas. TIL. But the general gist is that organic techniques use much less of much less toxic pesticides.

copperx 8y ago

Ok, now you got me scared because copper is associated with Alzheimer's disease.