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Agree, seems like waste of resources to keep them grounded.

by matz1 8y ago

Pharmakon 8y ago
I’d prefer to waste the resources of an airline or Boeing, rather than the kind of “waste of resources” in losing whole plane loads of human beings. Turning off MCAS solves one problem and trades it in for another, it is not a waste of resources to solve all of the relevant problems. What is a waste is pretending that wasted resources is the worst thing that can happen here when we have two fatal crashes being investigated.
copperx 8y ago
What an irresponsible comment. One can't just hand-wave away safety protocol, even if the failure appears to be obvious.
- matz1 8y ago
  The issue is more of incompetent pilot. As indicated that the day before the lion air crash, the pilot know what to do to handle the issue. At least for lion air, the airline has been locally famous for being careless about maintenance and pilot training.
  - perl4ever 8y ago
    "Stop Trying to Fix the User" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/10/security_design.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/10/security_desi...
  - peteradio 8y ago
    You could also say that Max flights now require 3 pilots to safely manage.
    - matz1 8y ago
      No, what required is a properly trained pilot.
      - peteradio 8y ago
        Oh my plane is pointing at the ground. Let me just stare at the trim indicator to see some intermittent change that only occurs every 10 minutes.
      - shkkmo 8y ago
        Exactly, but instead of requiring the retraining of pilots for a new airplane that flies significantly differently then the previous model, Boeing put in an automated system and charged extra for the instrumentation needed to determine if that system is failing.
      - deleted 8y ago
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  - rconti 8y ago
    So the plane's not unsafe, you're just statistically vastly less safe as a passenger ON the plane, because the pilots are much more likely to crash it, killing everyone aboard. Well, that put me my place. I'll hop right on another one tomorrow!

Agree, seems like waste of resources to keep them grounded.

by matz1 8y ago

Agree, seems like waste of resources to keep them grounded.

I’d prefer to waste the resources of an airline or Boeing, rather than the kind of “waste of resources” in losing whole plane loads of human beings. Turning off MCAS solves one problem and trades it in for another, it is not a waste of resources to solve all of the relevant problems. What is a waste is pretending that wasted resources is the worst thing that can happen here when we have two fatal crashes being investigated.

copperx 8y ago

What an irresponsible comment. One can't just hand-wave away safety protocol, even if the failure appears to be obvious.

matz1 8y ago
The issue is more of incompetent pilot. As indicated that the day before the lion air crash, the pilot know what to do to handle the issue. At least for lion air, the airline has been locally famous for being careless about maintenance and pilot training.
- perl4ever 8y ago
  "Stop Trying to Fix the User" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/10/security_design.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/10/security_desi...
- peteradio 8y ago
  You could also say that Max flights now require 3 pilots to safely manage.
  - matz1 8y ago
    No, what required is a properly trained pilot.
    - peteradio 8y ago
      Oh my plane is pointing at the ground. Let me just stare at the trim indicator to see some intermittent change that only occurs every 10 minutes.
    - shkkmo 8y ago
      Exactly, but instead of requiring the retraining of pilots for a new airplane that flies significantly differently then the previous model, Boeing put in an automated system and charged extra for the instrumentation needed to determine if that system is failing.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
- rconti 8y ago
  So the plane's not unsafe, you're just statistically vastly less safe as a passenger ON the plane, because the pilots are much more likely to crash it, killing everyone aboard. Well, that put me my place. I'll hop right on another one tomorrow!