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> The problem is figuring out what to do about the homeless people who refuse to accept shelter and other forms of government assistance. Does San Francisco ha

> The problem is figuring out what to do about the homeless people who refuse to accept shelter and other forms of government assistance. Does San Francisco have shelter beds that are sitting empty? We just don't have that problem yet. The people refusing shelter are refusing to throw away all of their remaining possessions for the promise of a few nights inside and then getting kicked out.

twblalock 8y ago
> The people refusing shelter are refusing to throw away all of their remaining possessions for the promise of a few nights inside and then getting kicked out. That's true for some. But there are many who would not accept a guaranteed permanent shelter bed because they prefer the freedom of living on their own. If you won't accept the reality of that, you'll never solve the problem.
- debatem1 8y ago
  The solution is likely the same here as it is elsewhere: not a permanent shelter bed where you are stripped of dignity and any facsimile of a normal life, but real homes and real independent lives surrounded by real people and the social connections that make permanent escape from poverty possible. And all of it, ideally, before destitution rather than after. But that's expensive, so we will continue to see handwringing about the deplorable plight of the homeless while the glittering lives of the wealthy grow ever more gilded.
  - imtringued 8y ago
    Those shelters are only useful for sleeping (that's the only thing they were optimized for). The people that go there still don't have a place to call home. During the day the homeless go outside and will cause all the same issues that come with regular homelessness.
- cheriot 8y ago
  Every shelter is full. Every mental health facility is full. The need for more of them is the most immediate problem to solve. > there are many who would not accept You're blaming people for how they would make a decision that they don't actually have. That's not dealing with reality.
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twblalock 8y ago

> The people refusing shelter are refusing to throw away all of their remaining possessions for the promise of a few nights inside and then getting kicked out. That's true for some. But there are many who would not accept a guaranteed permanent shelter bed because they prefer the freedom of living on their own. If you won't accept the reality of that, you'll never solve the problem.

debatem1 8y ago
The solution is likely the same here as it is elsewhere: not a permanent shelter bed where you are stripped of dignity and any facsimile of a normal life, but real homes and real independent lives surrounded by real people and the social connections that make permanent escape from poverty possible. And all of it, ideally, before destitution rather than after. But that's expensive, so we will continue to see handwringing about the deplorable plight of the homeless while the glittering lives of the wealthy grow ever more gilded.
- imtringued 8y ago
  Those shelters are only useful for sleeping (that's the only thing they were optimized for). The people that go there still don't have a place to call home. During the day the homeless go outside and will cause all the same issues that come with regular homelessness.
cheriot 8y ago
Every shelter is full. Every mental health facility is full. The need for more of them is the most immediate problem to solve. > there are many who would not accept You're blaming people for how they would make a decision that they don't actually have. That's not dealing with reality.

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