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The US is not an ally of China. It cooperates with China to maintain peaceful military and political relations in Asia and it has vast trade with China. There's

The US is not an ally of China. It cooperates with China to maintain peaceful military and political relations in Asia and it has vast trade with China. There's a dramatic, fundamental difference between being an ally and being a global competitor that you try to get along with (ie try not to go to war with as you collide repeatedly on matters of perceived national interest). Britain, France, Germany, Poland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, etc. Those are allies of the US. I don't think there's actually much confusion in the difference between a US ally relationship like Britain and the modern US relationship with China.

coldtea 8y ago
>There's a dramatic, fundamental difference Yes, the difference being "when it suits the US it's OK, when it suits somebody else, it's bad".
- discscoober 8y ago
  Raging horesh#%%#^^. China is built on thievery and finally after decades of escalating theft US is looking like we’re being more aggressive, maybe. The chinese theft has reached levels of being clear acts of war and its time to treat it as such. The hacking and corporate spy rates have escalated 3x in the last 3 years. Most arent aware how serious it is. As chinese leave for the US they are coached to thieve, and when they bring back good data they are paid to start a company.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >China is built on thievery and finally after decades of escalating theft US is looking like we’re being more aggressive, maybe. Yeah, more proving my point. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-02-01/piracy-and-fraud-propelled-the-u-s-industrial-revolution https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-02-01/piracy... https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ Not to mention that the same exact argument was once leveled at the "subpar" "copycat" "ripoffs" of Taiwan and Japan (regarding cars, electronics, etc) back in the 60s and 70s. Funny how that turned out...
coliveira 8y ago
The difference between being an "ally" of US or not only has to do with its current economic interests. Until recently China was viewed as a big friend. And the US only decided to do something against it when it became clear that China would not allow US companies to control their economy. In the list of US "friends" we see dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and Thailand, and countries with numerous human rights violations such as the Philippines. This is not a great track record for a country that purports to be the champion of democracy around the world.

coldtea 8y ago

>There's a dramatic, fundamental difference Yes, the difference being "when it suits the US it's OK, when it suits somebody else, it's bad".

discscoober 8y ago
Raging horesh#%%#^^. China is built on thievery and finally after decades of escalating theft US is looking like we’re being more aggressive, maybe. The chinese theft has reached levels of being clear acts of war and its time to treat it as such. The hacking and corporate spy rates have escalated 3x in the last 3 years. Most arent aware how serious it is. As chinese leave for the US they are coached to thieve, and when they bring back good data they are paid to start a company.
coldtea 8y ago
>China is built on thievery and finally after decades of escalating theft US is looking like we’re being more aggressive, maybe. Yeah, more proving my point. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-02-01/piracy-and-fraud-propelled-the-u-s-industrial-revolution https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-02-01/piracy... https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ Not to mention that the same exact argument was once leveled at the "subpar" "copycat" "ripoffs" of Taiwan and Japan (regarding cars, electronics, etc) back in the 60s and 70s. Funny how that turned out...

coliveira 8y ago

The difference between being an "ally" of US or not only has to do with its current economic interests. Until recently China was viewed as a big friend. And the US only decided to do something against it when it became clear that China would not allow US companies to control their economy. In the list of US "friends" we see dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and Thailand, and countries with numerous human rights violations such as the Philippines. This is not a great track record for a country that purports to be the champion of democracy around the world.