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>non-white men I assume Asian men are actually "white men" for the purposes of your example?

jschwartzi 8y ago
Can you explain a little more what you mean by this or where the disagreement is? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Thanks!
- jimbokun 8y ago
  It's not quite true to say tech startups are made up of predominantly white men, but also men of East Asian and Indian descent. So you can't just use "white men" as a euphemism for the dominant culture of tech start ups.
  - barry-cotter 8y ago
    Journalists do it all the time so you obviously can[1]. Google is less white than the US is and journalists talk about their diversity problem. The definition of white is shifting as has been obvious for decades[2]. Asians are white when convenient and not when not. [1]https://www.businessinsider.com/google-diversity-problem-in-7-graphs-2018-6/ https://www.businessinsider.com/google-diversity-problem-in-... [2]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/29/how-the-asians-became-white/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
- hnxs 8y ago
  If you ever make it out to the bay, you’ll see that white men, Asian men, and, to a much lesser extent (though much more represented than everyone other than the first two), Asian women make up the majority of the engineering workforce here.
  - jrs95 8y ago
    This is even the case in the midwest
  - johnisgood 8y ago
    Which clearly demonstrates that just because you belong to a minority, it does not mean you will be "oppressed" or whatever the current narrative is. There are successful groups of people belonging to a minority, i.e. it is not the fact of belonging to a minority that is the problem, is it?
    - simonh 8y ago
      What consists of a minority is of course contingent and relative. A group that is a minority in one setting can be the majority in another. In one situation a group can be the oppressed, in another 'they' (different individuals but of the same 'group') can be the oppressors. Unfortunately that's human nature, but it doesn't mean we have to just sit back and accept it. If course it's also possible to overcome obstacles like these. Some people are very successful at doing so, but unfortunately others are not and shouldn't really have to.

Can you explain a little more what you mean by this or where the disagreement is? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Thanks!

jimbokun 8y ago
It's not quite true to say tech startups are made up of predominantly white men, but also men of East Asian and Indian descent. So you can't just use "white men" as a euphemism for the dominant culture of tech start ups.
- barry-cotter 8y ago
  Journalists do it all the time so you obviously can[1]. Google is less white than the US is and journalists talk about their diversity problem. The definition of white is shifting as has been obvious for decades[2]. Asians are white when convenient and not when not. [1]https://www.businessinsider.com/google-diversity-problem-in-7-graphs-2018-6/ https://www.businessinsider.com/google-diversity-problem-in-... [2]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/29/how-the-asians-became-white/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
hnxs 8y ago
If you ever make it out to the bay, you’ll see that white men, Asian men, and, to a much lesser extent (though much more represented than everyone other than the first two), Asian women make up the majority of the engineering workforce here.
- jrs95 8y ago
  This is even the case in the midwest
- johnisgood 8y ago
  Which clearly demonstrates that just because you belong to a minority, it does not mean you will be "oppressed" or whatever the current narrative is. There are successful groups of people belonging to a minority, i.e. it is not the fact of belonging to a minority that is the problem, is it?
  - simonh 8y ago
    What consists of a minority is of course contingent and relative. A group that is a minority in one setting can be the majority in another. In one situation a group can be the oppressed, in another 'they' (different individuals but of the same 'group') can be the oppressors. Unfortunately that's human nature, but it doesn't mean we have to just sit back and accept it. If course it's also possible to overcome obstacles like these. Some people are very successful at doing so, but unfortunately others are not and shouldn't really have to.