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Livestreamed massacre means it’s time to shut down Facebook Live

5 points by LogicRiver 8y ago

nutcracker46 8y ago
Shutting down Facebook Live is rather extreme, isn't it? FB didn't waste time removing offensive content when it was reported. Who wants their social media to be a monitored, censored, walled garden as is WeChat? If we must endure screened, delayed communication, nonfree (as in freedom) then the terrorists win.
_archon_ 8y ago
No. The service is not to blame for the bad actions of one user. Humanity is so broad and diverse that in any sufficiently large set of people there are individuals who will choose to commit evil. It's society's problem to discourage this, and to react and recover from the evil having been done. Terms of service were violated, the videos were removed, the service is not at fault here. If it wasn't posted on FBL, it would have been somewhere else instead. The fact that our technology gives us a clearer look at something that's been part of the human condition forever is not a reasonable argument for destroying that technology. Personally, I think livestreaming is pretty dumb and I never create or consume it, but different strokes and such.
imtringued 8y ago
Yes we need surveillance on millions of legitimate videos and legislate delays into all live streaming services to protect the 200 unfortunate people who couldn't stop watching the stream on their own accord. Okay now let's stop with the sarcasm. Blocking videos is acceptable, they can be watched many times over and shared even after the live stream has ended. Blocking live streams doesn't do any of that. A live stream is shown once and then it is effectively "deleted", regardless of whether workers filter it or not. Why punish millions of innocent people for such a tiny minority? This isn't a video that has been shared million of times. Even the recording has only been seen 4000 times.
- DBYCZ 8y ago
  I seriously doubt only 4,000 people have seen the video. The real question is where does it end? Sure that video is terrible, but so are the clips from Mexican Cartels and ISIS, which are widely available online. 9/11, robberies gone wrong caught on CCTV, and tons of Military footage where people are shown getting killed/injured are still freely available. Then you have accident videos, both industrial and automotive/motorcycle. While gory, they can be argued important as people can learn from the mistakes made in those clips. I don't think it's possible to truly block a video, and I don't think Facebook or a Government should even try. The end user should be responsible for what they choose to watch on these systems. At most, I think a simple graphic content warning should be in place.
signalsmith 8y ago
I've also heard of Facebook Live being used to document police violence. Same problem with content-moderation, but on the other hand it means the video is out there before the police force has time to confiscate the device or even lock-down their account.
JohnClark1337 8y ago
News Media: Facebook invades people's privacy, which is bad Also News Media: Facebook isn't doing a good enough job of tracking everything its users do

5 points by LogicRiver 8y ago

Shutting down Facebook Live is rather extreme, isn't it? FB didn't waste time removing offensive content when it was reported. Who wants their social media to be a monitored, censored, walled garden as is WeChat? If we must endure screened, delayed communication, nonfree (as in freedom) then the terrorists win.

_archon_ 8y ago

No. The service is not to blame for the bad actions of one user. Humanity is so broad and diverse that in any sufficiently large set of people there are individuals who will choose to commit evil. It's society's problem to discourage this, and to react and recover from the evil having been done. Terms of service were violated, the videos were removed, the service is not at fault here. If it wasn't posted on FBL, it would have been somewhere else instead. The fact that our technology gives us a clearer look at something that's been part of the human condition forever is not a reasonable argument for destroying that technology. Personally, I think livestreaming is pretty dumb and I never create or consume it, but different strokes and such.

imtringued 8y ago

Yes we need surveillance on millions of legitimate videos and legislate delays into all live streaming services to protect the 200 unfortunate people who couldn't stop watching the stream on their own accord. Okay now let's stop with the sarcasm. Blocking videos is acceptable, they can be watched many times over and shared even after the live stream has ended. Blocking live streams doesn't do any of that. A live stream is shown once and then it is effectively "deleted", regardless of whether workers filter it or not. Why punish millions of innocent people for such a tiny minority? This isn't a video that has been shared million of times. Even the recording has only been seen 4000 times.

DBYCZ 8y ago
I seriously doubt only 4,000 people have seen the video. The real question is where does it end? Sure that video is terrible, but so are the clips from Mexican Cartels and ISIS, which are widely available online. 9/11, robberies gone wrong caught on CCTV, and tons of Military footage where people are shown getting killed/injured are still freely available. Then you have accident videos, both industrial and automotive/motorcycle. While gory, they can be argued important as people can learn from the mistakes made in those clips. I don't think it's possible to truly block a video, and I don't think Facebook or a Government should even try. The end user should be responsible for what they choose to watch on these systems. At most, I think a simple graphic content warning should be in place.

signalsmith 8y ago

I've also heard of Facebook Live being used to document police violence. Same problem with content-moderation, but on the other hand it means the video is out there before the police force has time to confiscate the device or even lock-down their account.

JohnClark1337 8y ago

News Media: Facebook invades people's privacy, which is bad Also News Media: Facebook isn't doing a good enough job of tracking everything its users do