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Ask HN: What are the current (IT) industry skills employment cash cows?

5 points by clyfe 16y ago

What do you think are the (IT) skills that employers currently pay loads of cash for and are widely searched ? Spring, LINQ, DB scaling, BPMN, others ?

noname123 16y ago
Nah, bro. Sping/LINQ are all work that could be easily by Java/.net shops in India. Any enterprise work is easily outsourced to India. Stuff that can pays high six figures because they can't outsourced. Computer security (especially if you could get security clearance); geology simulation for oil exploration (high-level domain expertise knowledge); quantitative modeling and trading system design for HFT (domain and quant skills required); risk modeling in actuarial science. All of these are if you want to work for BigCo. You could also make a lot of money by going consulting in some obscure and corporate package such as SAP modules.
nostrademons 16y ago
Anything where you play buzzword bingo is not going to be lucrative in the long term. The technology's popularity attracts wannabes, which increase the supply of available labor, which drives down wages. I'd go with something that requires specialized knowledge, either domain-based (bioinformatics, geology, finance), systems programming (compiler, OS, and distributed computing), or one of the AI subfields (information retrieval, machine learning, data mining, computer vision, etc.)
- reinhardt 16y ago
  Another area of specialized, albeit less glamorous, knowledge: legacy app programming (Cobol, RPG, Fortran, etc.)
unoti 16y ago
Some skills are more accessible to you than others. So a good answer is different for different people. I recommend thinking of 5 or so things that really interest you, and then checking what kinds of opportunities are available for those. I did that exercise a while back, and was surprised to find that there appeared to be a tremendous demand for people with data mining experience using Hadoop. This kind of approach has the further benefit of giving you an idea of what kinds of places might want to hire you when you hone your new skills. It'd be a shame to become skilled in compiler design, for example, and then not have much of an idea of who would want you.
earl 16y ago
Hadoop Every idiot out there wants to spray some "big data" retardation all over whatever they're doing, so they throw together a cluster -- if one were really generous -- of a handful of machines so they can use hadoop too! Meh. It's not big data until you need a couple hundred cores. However -- it's an opportunity to cash in for devs. Of course hadoop is a needlessly difficult programming model for most people, but never mind that. My .02 is if you can possibly solve your problem by scaling up instead of out, then scale up. Hadoop works well precisely for perfectly parallelizable no communication required problems, which are few and far between. For everything else, it's a giant pita to shoehorn the solution into hadoop. Of course, most managers are retards, so spending maybe $25K on a 256GB ram, 16 xeon machine stuffed full of 15k rpm sas or ssd drives is out of the question, but wasting months of dev time to sprinkle Real Big Data (TM) bullshit on stuff is worthwhile. Sigh. 15 years into this industry and still, everybody views salary expenses / opportunity costs of dev time and equipment as completely separate things. I'm grumpy today. However, hadoop has a steep learning curve for anything but toy problems, and I get 2-3 requests a week on linkedin just because of my employer and having hadoop on my resume. So it's great for devs. I know people charging hundreds of dollars as their consulting rates. Edit: just checked silicon mechanics to make sure my hardware cost wasn't too far off. If you're doing most numerical stuff, parallelization is hard, so: 256GB RAM, 2 of the fastest QPI highest cache procs, and 6x intel 160GB SSDs in a 2U: less than $30K delivered.
- sitmack 16y ago
  As a highering manager (who uses Hadoop) it easy for me to request more head count at a 200k cost to the company. It is not even the same order of magnitude amount of effort to request hardware at 1/4 the price. What I could get done with more hardware...
- rubinelli 16y ago
  Personally, I don't think Hadoop's model is all that complex (obviously, if you can solve the same problem with a quick script, you have to be insane not to) but it's nowhere near in terms of polish to the tools Enterprise Java devs are used to. Creating a new cluster for example is a pain compared to the usual "unzip, copy datasource XMLs and jars, run start" for application servers.
Daishiman 16y ago
SAP implementer, if you want a real, honest-to-God cash cow. It will drain your soul. You will curse ABAP until your last breath. But your pockets shall never be empty.

5 points by clyfe 16y ago

What do you think are the (IT) skills that employers currently pay loads of cash for and are widely searched ? Spring, LINQ, DB scaling, BPMN, others ?

noname123 16y ago

Nah, bro. Sping/LINQ are all work that could be easily by Java/.net shops in India. Any enterprise work is easily outsourced to India. Stuff that can pays high six figures because they can't outsourced. Computer security (especially if you could get security clearance); geology simulation for oil exploration (high-level domain expertise knowledge); quantitative modeling and trading system design for HFT (domain and quant skills required); risk modeling in actuarial science. All of these are if you want to work for BigCo. You could also make a lot of money by going consulting in some obscure and corporate package such as SAP modules.

nostrademons 16y ago

Anything where you play buzzword bingo is not going to be lucrative in the long term. The technology's popularity attracts wannabes, which increase the supply of available labor, which drives down wages. I'd go with something that requires specialized knowledge, either domain-based (bioinformatics, geology, finance), systems programming (compiler, OS, and distributed computing), or one of the AI subfields (information retrieval, machine learning, data mining, computer vision, etc.)

reinhardt 16y ago
Another area of specialized, albeit less glamorous, knowledge: legacy app programming (Cobol, RPG, Fortran, etc.)

unoti 16y ago

Some skills are more accessible to you than others. So a good answer is different for different people. I recommend thinking of 5 or so things that really interest you, and then checking what kinds of opportunities are available for those. I did that exercise a while back, and was surprised to find that there appeared to be a tremendous demand for people with data mining experience using Hadoop. This kind of approach has the further benefit of giving you an idea of what kinds of places might want to hire you when you hone your new skills. It'd be a shame to become skilled in compiler design, for example, and then not have much of an idea of who would want you.

earl 16y ago

Hadoop Every idiot out there wants to spray some "big data" retardation all over whatever they're doing, so they throw together a cluster -- if one were really generous -- of a handful of machines so they can use hadoop too! Meh. It's not big data until you need a couple hundred cores. However -- it's an opportunity to cash in for devs. Of course hadoop is a needlessly difficult programming model for most people, but never mind that. My .02 is if you can possibly solve your problem by scaling up instead of out, then scale up. Hadoop works well precisely for perfectly parallelizable no communication required problems, which are few and far between. For everything else, it's a giant pita to shoehorn the solution into hadoop. Of course, most managers are retards, so spending maybe $25K on a 256GB ram, 16 xeon machine stuffed full of 15k rpm sas or ssd drives is out of the question, but wasting months of dev time to sprinkle Real Big Data (TM) bullshit on stuff is worthwhile. Sigh. 15 years into this industry and still, everybody views salary expenses / opportunity costs of dev time and equipment as completely separate things. I'm grumpy today. However, hadoop has a steep learning curve for anything but toy problems, and I get 2-3 requests a week on linkedin just because of my employer and having hadoop on my resume. So it's great for devs. I know people charging hundreds of dollars as their consulting rates. Edit: just checked silicon mechanics to make sure my hardware cost wasn't too far off. If you're doing most numerical stuff, parallelization is hard, so: 256GB RAM, 2 of the fastest QPI highest cache procs, and 6x intel 160GB SSDs in a 2U: less than $30K delivered.

sitmack 16y ago
As a highering manager (who uses Hadoop) it easy for me to request more head count at a 200k cost to the company. It is not even the same order of magnitude amount of effort to request hardware at 1/4 the price. What I could get done with more hardware...
rubinelli 16y ago
Personally, I don't think Hadoop's model is all that complex (obviously, if you can solve the same problem with a quick script, you have to be insane not to) but it's nowhere near in terms of polish to the tools Enterprise Java devs are used to. Creating a new cluster for example is a pain compared to the usual "unzip, copy datasource XMLs and jars, run start" for application servers.

Daishiman 16y ago

SAP implementer, if you want a real, honest-to-God cash cow. It will drain your soul. You will curse ABAP until your last breath. But your pockets shall never be empty.