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The petition is here. Looks like it just crossed 1,000,000. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

mdevere 8y ago
Only 16m more to go
- tartuffe78 8y ago
  Assuming everyone on the internet respects the "I am a British citizen or UK resident" checkbox, which is doubtful.
  - swarnie_ 8y ago
    Almost certainly not.
- dazc 8y ago
  Can we then have a 2nd petition, just in case anyone has changed their mind?
  - jwat0v 8y ago
    I support a 3rd petition too. In fact why don't we just repeat all elections and referendums until we get what we want?
    - seqastian 8y ago
      the 2nd one would be about which deal. not the same thing.
      - jwat0v 8y ago
        If they have a 2nd petition I'm sure it'll include an option to say "I want to stay in the EU", which would be the same thing: repeating a vote until we get what we want.
        pushpop 8y ago
        So instead you advocate we don't get what we want because all decisions are meant to be final? "I'm sorry, you cannot return this jumper you bought online because even though it doesn't fit you, you've already decided to buy it and all decisions are final".
        deadbunny 8y ago
        Easily solved with instant runoff voting[1] for the entire spectrum from Remain to No Deal. No one wastes their vote voting tactically, everyone gets their voice heard, and we get to choose exactly how we shoot ourselves in the foot when Leave wins a 2nd vote. I mean how could Leave lose? It was the will of the people, they'll clearly vote the same again. /s Better than the current game of 3d chicken we're playing right now. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
        IshKebab 8y ago
        Sorry, IRV is Not British. Only First-Past-the-Post is simple enough to be understood by good upstanding British voters. We had a referendum on it.
    - ChrisSD 8y ago
      This has been May's strategy with parliament. We're soon going to have a third vote on the same deal. With the referendum it's more justified. There were financial irregularities which would have rendered the result void but the vote was non binding so the Electoral Commission advised it can't intervene other than to fine some of the guilty.
    - deadbunny 8y ago
      Pretty sure we already do that every 5 years :D
    - akvadrako 8y ago
      That's what the parliament is doing anyway.
    - pushpop 8y ago
      That is literally how democracy is supposed to work. You have regular(ish) elections to appoint your "representatives" in parliament (representatives in scare quotes because they seldom represent the people). Even the 2016 EU referendum wasn't the first we've had. As the voting populous grows old, new voters come of age, and the relationship with our EU partners change, it makes total sense to revisit past decisions. Nothing in democracy should be closed to re-evaluation for all time in the future just because some people made a vote once.
      - deleted 8y ago
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Zenst 8y ago
I was wondering what percentage of those would of been eligible to vote in the referendum originally. As some insight, 971885 of that total are located in the UK and the rest from other countries. Now that does not clarify if they qualify to vote in the referendum or not, but does somewhat raise that aspect of people who have no say in a country, interfering in its democracy. After all, these are just names of people, sure they may check against an election role register and that does somewhat depend upon no ID-fraud, of which the site offers no protection against whatsoever. Well worth looking at how this progresses via the data available :- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json
- pushpop 8y ago
  I believe people who have a permanent residency outside of the UK but held British citizenship were allowed to vote in the referendum. However I'm not suggesting that all those anomalous votes in that petition are ex-pats.
  - Zenst 8y ago
    You are correct about voting eligibility and expats and I equally share your stance upon that. We just don't know and given the checks (lack of) involved, may never know. Had we had a national ID card, such systems might take on more credibility, alas such ID cards in the UK are often disdained by a vast majority for various reasons of self-privacy. Yet such ID cards are most common throughout Europe. Indeed, some countries (Brussels iirc as one) have a law that makes not voting in an election a crime, so they get close to 100% turnout, they also have ID cards.

mdevere 8y ago

Only 16m more to go

tartuffe78 8y ago
Assuming everyone on the internet respects the "I am a British citizen or UK resident" checkbox, which is doubtful.
- swarnie_ 8y ago
  Almost certainly not.
dazc 8y ago
Can we then have a 2nd petition, just in case anyone has changed their mind?
- jwat0v 8y ago
  I support a 3rd petition too. In fact why don't we just repeat all elections and referendums until we get what we want?
  - seqastian 8y ago
    the 2nd one would be about which deal. not the same thing.
    - jwat0v 8y ago
      If they have a 2nd petition I'm sure it'll include an option to say "I want to stay in the EU", which would be the same thing: repeating a vote until we get what we want.
      - pushpop 8y ago
        So instead you advocate we don't get what we want because all decisions are meant to be final? "I'm sorry, you cannot return this jumper you bought online because even though it doesn't fit you, you've already decided to buy it and all decisions are final".
      - deadbunny 8y ago
        Easily solved with instant runoff voting[1] for the entire spectrum from Remain to No Deal. No one wastes their vote voting tactically, everyone gets their voice heard, and we get to choose exactly how we shoot ourselves in the foot when Leave wins a 2nd vote. I mean how could Leave lose? It was the will of the people, they'll clearly vote the same again. /s Better than the current game of 3d chicken we're playing right now. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
        IshKebab 8y ago
        Sorry, IRV is Not British. Only First-Past-the-Post is simple enough to be understood by good upstanding British voters. We had a referendum on it.
  - ChrisSD 8y ago
    This has been May's strategy with parliament. We're soon going to have a third vote on the same deal. With the referendum it's more justified. There were financial irregularities which would have rendered the result void but the vote was non binding so the Electoral Commission advised it can't intervene other than to fine some of the guilty.
  - deadbunny 8y ago
    Pretty sure we already do that every 5 years :D
  - akvadrako 8y ago
    That's what the parliament is doing anyway.
  - pushpop 8y ago
    That is literally how democracy is supposed to work. You have regular(ish) elections to appoint your "representatives" in parliament (representatives in scare quotes because they seldom represent the people). Even the 2016 EU referendum wasn't the first we've had. As the voting populous grows old, new voters come of age, and the relationship with our EU partners change, it makes total sense to revisit past decisions. Nothing in democracy should be closed to re-evaluation for all time in the future just because some people made a vote once.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]

Zenst 8y ago

I was wondering what percentage of those would of been eligible to vote in the referendum originally. As some insight, 971885 of that total are located in the UK and the rest from other countries. Now that does not clarify if they qualify to vote in the referendum or not, but does somewhat raise that aspect of people who have no say in a country, interfering in its democracy. After all, these are just names of people, sure they may check against an election role register and that does somewhat depend upon no ID-fraud, of which the site offers no protection against whatsoever. Well worth looking at how this progresses via the data available :- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json

pushpop 8y ago
I believe people who have a permanent residency outside of the UK but held British citizenship were allowed to vote in the referendum. However I'm not suggesting that all those anomalous votes in that petition are ex-pats.
- Zenst 8y ago
  You are correct about voting eligibility and expats and I equally share your stance upon that. We just don't know and given the checks (lack of) involved, may never know. Had we had a national ID card, such systems might take on more credibility, alas such ID cards in the UK are often disdained by a vast majority for various reasons of self-privacy. Yet such ID cards are most common throughout Europe. Indeed, some countries (Brussels iirc as one) have a law that makes not voting in an election a crime, so they get close to 100% turnout, they also have ID cards.