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> there's already one person in jail for doing this. I'm a little conflicted about this. As a NZ'er the chief censor[1] has always done a decent job, we've nev
by erentz 8y ago
> there's already one person in jail for doing this.
I'm a little conflicted about this. As a NZ'er the chief censor[1] has always done a decent job, we've never had to debate the issue of censorship in NZ much before. In this case the ability to retroactively label something criminal, and someone to face charges for it feels unjust.
On the other hand, and details are light at this point, this one person who is being charged allegedly mirrored the live stream during the event, cheered it on in his comments, and may have posted inciting materials prior to the attack (a picture of the mosque captioned "target acquired", but it's not clear based on the public information yet if this was posted before or on the day of the event).
[1] The idea of a chief censor may seem really appalling to many reading this, I encourage you to actually research what they do and the legislation they operate under before casting an opinion on it. Essentially the role is to provide ratings on media items, and rarely outright censor things. In the past day to day shit for them meant watching DVDs of rape videos and crap like that coming through the physical borders.
- Taniwha 8y agoIt's interesting that NZ and Australia share their censorship process, movie ratings from one country apply in the other (avoiding the cost of having a movie rated more than once), I wonder if this applies here to?
- Taniwha 8y agoI should add that ratings don't directly correspond, but there is some joint process
- ng12 8y ago> this one person who is being charged allegedly mirrored the live stream during the event, cheered it on in his comments, and may have posted inciting materials prior to the attack Why does that factor in? New Zealand has (or had?) pretty strong protection for freedom of expression and freedom of speech.
- erentz 8y agoIt might be inferred that the Police suspect this person knew of the attack or was in some way involved, and are using this route to prosecute and/or pressure the person. That doesn't necessarily make it okay, but obviously a lot of Kiwi's have downloaded and shared and watched this video, but this is the only case I know of where someone was arrested for it.
- Taniwha 8y agoIt's possible, he did make a couple of presaging posts in the days before the terrorist act ... however the charge he's being held on at the moment is publishing the terrorist's snuff film
- Nition 8y agoIt seems like the guy was arrested for more than just posting the video, potentially a lot more. Particularly this part: > A second charge alleges that between the 8th and the 15th of March, he showed a photograph of the Deans Avenue mosque with the message “target acquired” and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence constituting one of the offences.[1] The 15th is the day of the attack, so as the grandparent comment said, it's unclear if he posted the image in advance of the attack, but it all sounds pretty dodgy. [1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/18yo-in-court-over-sharing-footage-of-christchurch-terror-attack.html https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/18yo-in-c...
- lancewiggs 8y ago
- Taniwha 8y agoI'd disagree on one thing - the NZ censor hasn't always done a decent job - the 60s/70s/80s were a time when there was a lot of tension in NZ society between the censor and some of the more liberal members of society, student capping mags used to be bulk confiscated. That balance does seem to have mostly been made in a way that most people are comfortable with these days (the proctor of Otago University being a gross exception)
- Mirioron 8y ago>The idea of a chief censor may seem really appalling to many reading this, I encourage you to actually research what they do and the legislation they operate under before casting an opinion on it. I read about it and I lost a lot of respect for New Zealand. It surprised me, because I really didn't expect another first world country to be this weak on freedom of expression. I guess I was unaware of the culture.
- lancewiggs 8y agoPlease take care before throwing rocks. Our culture is not perfect, but measure us by our response to this, and other, tragic events.
- zapzupnz 8y agoOur first mass shooting in a couple of decades, the last one being a madman in a remote town with a gun, and our initial responses are: - arrests - suppression of objectionable materials that could stoke the fires and cause more deaths, possibly from copy-cats - identity suppression so that the killer will not be martyred - a huge focus on the victims - a swift change of gun laws As opposed to the US, where it would be: - thoughts and prayers - "We should change gun laws. Not us, though, we want to get re-elected!" ~ President - the killer's name and photo plastered over every newspaper, television, and website
- tropo 8y agoA swift change in the gun laws is very interesting when you know more of the story. At the first mosque, somebody ran to get a gun for defense. They dissuaded the attacker, firing a couple shots at him, sending him fleeing. With different gun laws, the law-abiding person could not have done that. The attacker would of course be unlikely to follow the law.
- shard972 8y agoThen i would have to measure NZ pretty damn poorly. The response so far has been to do exactly what the shooter wanted while spouting hollow gestures about how they refuse to utter his name because "it's what he wanted". Maybe if his manifesto wasn't illegal to read, they could read it and maybe see that they are so caught up in the emotional signalling they are doing exactly what the shooter wanted them to do.