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Google is already established as a god awful vendor partner. It’s reflected in their cloud divisions performance. Anyone sane is using someone else if they ca

Google is already established as a god awful vendor partner. It’s reflected in their cloud divisions performance. Anyone sane is using someone else if they can.

josteink 8y ago
I literally know zero people using Google Cloud. Everyone is on Amazon or Azure. I can count the times google has burnt my hand though...
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  >I literally know zero people using Google Cloud. Everyone is on Amazon or Azure. Snapchat uses Google Cloud. So does Pokemon Go.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    They have a dozen or more "hero companies" that they advertise. The big question is are those organic customers or attracted onto the platform for big discounts in order to be adverts?
  - gcbw2 8y ago
    > Pokemon Go The poster child of unplanned outages and scalability issues. Ouch.
  - PhoenixReborn 8y ago
    Bear in mind that Niantic (company behind Pokemon Go) was originally an incubated project within Google. So they have plenty of reasons to stick with GCP for the hosting. As for Snapchat they were originally on Google App Engine so that incentivised them to stick with the platform as well. But for new companies starting today it'd be a tough sell to use most of GCP.
    - buxtehude 8y ago
      Companies who see Amazon as a competitor are very often going to GCP instead of AWS. There is also a growing trend of multi cloud deployments - using those that are best for your particular use case or increasing your fault tolerance.
      - dustindiamond 8y ago
        Do you host your own k8s for multi-cloud? Rancher?
- jedberg 8y ago
  I know one person that is using Google Cloud for his company. He used to work at YouTube, so it's very handy for him since it works very similarly. But otherwise I don't know anyone using it for any production workloads.
  - mixmastamyk 8y ago
    Isn't it much cheaper? Seems that would be attractive to many. I'm surprised to hear the Google experience is so poor and risky that no one is using it for fear of losing everything.
- jtchang 8y ago
  Yeah Amazon (especially AWS) is pretty decent with customer service all things considering. I've heard of people getting hacked and having huge bills because they stared up bitcoin miners with their account. I think AWS actually refunded the charges. Scary to think if Google would do the same as easily.
  - sokoloff 8y ago
    The "hacking" is often reading access keys out of public repositories, so not exactly nation-state stuff here. I can confirm that we had that happen to a developer account (who did exactly that <doh>) and AWS refunded the charges with zero hassles.
- avip 8y ago
  I moved all my deployments to google cloud. I've started to use it originally because BigQuery was light years ahead of any foreseeable competition (Athena didn't even exist). I've stayed for awesome firebase. gcp has great offerings.
  - larkeith 8y ago
    Google Cloud looks fantastic, but I could never trust it for anything beyond hobby projects: Google's policy of minimal support and seemingly-arbitrary algorithmic decisions regarding customers makes for more risk than I am willing to accept from a single component.
    - adventured 8y ago
      If Google's leadership were self-aware at all (they're not), they'd spin Google Cloud out from under their anti-customer super corporate. GC should be aggressively isolated from the stupidity in the larger company when it comes to how they incorrectly deal with pretty much anything that involves humans. They'd need to put someone in charge of it that has vast experience building very customer-focused enterprise businesses. They need to de-Googleify the whole business top to bottom. This would also go a long way toward eliminating the well-earned fear about how Google loves to kill off products/services. If they don't do that, they will never stand a chance competing with Amazon or Microsoft in cloud. They'll be a far smaller, permanent #3 in the US market, best case scenario.
  - fernandotakai 8y ago
    their kubernetes offering is miles ahead of anyone else.
  - bufferoverflow 8y ago
    I just started using BigQuery, and I have no idea how people tolerate it. Can't delete a column. Can't rename a column. Can't change a datatype of a column. If I added a wrong column, I have to recreate the whole table (via SELECT * EXCEPT).
- klardotsh 8y ago
  Welp, today you get to meet one, hi, I'm klardotsh! Don't get me wrong - I hate it and wish we were on AWS for a multitude of reasons, but we use Google Cloud at Lumen5 and despite my personal distaste for it, it mostly "just works" most of the time, even if almost zero of the setup is intuitive. Their Kubernetes offering is a stronger sell than AWS's (IMO) which is a big reason we've stuck with it.
  - gcbw2 8y ago
    > zero of the setup is intuitive that is true on the other side too.
  - cbdumas 8y ago
    If you are hoping that moving to AWS will give you access to "intuitive" setup, I have some bad news for you.
  - buxtehude 8y ago
    so why do you hate it? what are the reasons you'd rather be on AWS?
  - OkGoDoIt 8y ago
    At this point it's hard to quantify the likelihood of being ruined by Google arbitrarily banning you, but at some point that needs to factor into the calculation just like an SLA or major disaster insurance. If there's a 0.01% chance you'll get screwed by Google, but the service is 10% better/cheaper, maybe that's a worthwhile risk? But the numbers are not moving in the right direction.
- sodosopa 8y ago
  Hi there are dozens of us using Google Cloud. We’re using it for a variety of NLP work alongside on prem systems. Fun stuff.
ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
Our startup has $30k free credits from Google cloud but I would have to be crazy to put our production website on Google and their ban hammer + "charming" customer support. I am too afraid to use it even for staging.

Google is already established as a god awful vendor partner. It’s reflected in their cloud divisions performance. Anyone sane is using someone else if they can.

josteink 8y ago

I literally know zero people using Google Cloud. Everyone is on Amazon or Azure. I can count the times google has burnt my hand though...

alasdair_ 8y ago
>I literally know zero people using Google Cloud. Everyone is on Amazon or Azure. Snapchat uses Google Cloud. So does Pokemon Go.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  They have a dozen or more "hero companies" that they advertise. The big question is are those organic customers or attracted onto the platform for big discounts in order to be adverts?
- gcbw2 8y ago
  > Pokemon Go The poster child of unplanned outages and scalability issues. Ouch.
- PhoenixReborn 8y ago
  Bear in mind that Niantic (company behind Pokemon Go) was originally an incubated project within Google. So they have plenty of reasons to stick with GCP for the hosting. As for Snapchat they were originally on Google App Engine so that incentivised them to stick with the platform as well. But for new companies starting today it'd be a tough sell to use most of GCP.
  - buxtehude 8y ago
    Companies who see Amazon as a competitor are very often going to GCP instead of AWS. There is also a growing trend of multi cloud deployments - using those that are best for your particular use case or increasing your fault tolerance.
    - dustindiamond 8y ago
      Do you host your own k8s for multi-cloud? Rancher?
jedberg 8y ago
I know one person that is using Google Cloud for his company. He used to work at YouTube, so it's very handy for him since it works very similarly. But otherwise I don't know anyone using it for any production workloads.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  Isn't it much cheaper? Seems that would be attractive to many. I'm surprised to hear the Google experience is so poor and risky that no one is using it for fear of losing everything.
jtchang 8y ago
Yeah Amazon (especially AWS) is pretty decent with customer service all things considering. I've heard of people getting hacked and having huge bills because they stared up bitcoin miners with their account. I think AWS actually refunded the charges. Scary to think if Google would do the same as easily.
- sokoloff 8y ago
  The "hacking" is often reading access keys out of public repositories, so not exactly nation-state stuff here. I can confirm that we had that happen to a developer account (who did exactly that <doh>) and AWS refunded the charges with zero hassles.
avip 8y ago
I moved all my deployments to google cloud. I've started to use it originally because BigQuery was light years ahead of any foreseeable competition (Athena didn't even exist). I've stayed for awesome firebase. gcp has great offerings.
- larkeith 8y ago
  Google Cloud looks fantastic, but I could never trust it for anything beyond hobby projects: Google's policy of minimal support and seemingly-arbitrary algorithmic decisions regarding customers makes for more risk than I am willing to accept from a single component.
  - adventured 8y ago
    If Google's leadership were self-aware at all (they're not), they'd spin Google Cloud out from under their anti-customer super corporate. GC should be aggressively isolated from the stupidity in the larger company when it comes to how they incorrectly deal with pretty much anything that involves humans. They'd need to put someone in charge of it that has vast experience building very customer-focused enterprise businesses. They need to de-Googleify the whole business top to bottom. This would also go a long way toward eliminating the well-earned fear about how Google loves to kill off products/services. If they don't do that, they will never stand a chance competing with Amazon or Microsoft in cloud. They'll be a far smaller, permanent #3 in the US market, best case scenario.
- fernandotakai 8y ago
  their kubernetes offering is miles ahead of anyone else.
- bufferoverflow 8y ago
  I just started using BigQuery, and I have no idea how people tolerate it. Can't delete a column. Can't rename a column. Can't change a datatype of a column. If I added a wrong column, I have to recreate the whole table (via SELECT * EXCEPT).
klardotsh 8y ago
Welp, today you get to meet one, hi, I'm klardotsh! Don't get me wrong - I hate it and wish we were on AWS for a multitude of reasons, but we use Google Cloud at Lumen5 and despite my personal distaste for it, it mostly "just works" most of the time, even if almost zero of the setup is intuitive. Their Kubernetes offering is a stronger sell than AWS's (IMO) which is a big reason we've stuck with it.
- gcbw2 8y ago
  > zero of the setup is intuitive that is true on the other side too.
- cbdumas 8y ago
  If you are hoping that moving to AWS will give you access to "intuitive" setup, I have some bad news for you.
- buxtehude 8y ago
  so why do you hate it? what are the reasons you'd rather be on AWS?
- OkGoDoIt 8y ago
  At this point it's hard to quantify the likelihood of being ruined by Google arbitrarily banning you, but at some point that needs to factor into the calculation just like an SLA or major disaster insurance. If there's a 0.01% chance you'll get screwed by Google, but the service is 10% better/cheaper, maybe that's a worthwhile risk? But the numbers are not moving in the right direction.
sodosopa 8y ago
Hi there are dozens of us using Google Cloud. We’re using it for a variety of NLP work alongside on prem systems. Fun stuff.

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago

Our startup has $30k free credits from Google cloud but I would have to be crazy to put our production website on Google and their ban hammer + "charming" customer support. I am too afraid to use it even for staging.