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That's actually a much more reasonable answer than the one I had imagined. The unfortunate part is that I don't trust anyone not to misuse the data, especially

That's actually a much more reasonable answer than the one I had imagined. The unfortunate part is that I don't trust anyone not to misuse the data, especially not government employees.

arcticbull 8y ago
Interesting, the 'especially from government employees' bit feels like a very US-centric reaction. In many other places in the world people just kinda trust their governments. I have no problem with any European government collecting analytics data.
- dmichulke 8y ago
  I disagree, as always the US is just 10 years ahead (so it will come to us as well, just later) and there are numerous law initiatives that show to what extent your privacy and freedom of expression is a concern of politicians.
  - Dahoon 8y ago
    >I disagree, as always the US is just 10 years ahead At the same time the US is 10 years behind. GDPR is far ahead of anything the US has. Gun control is 50+ years ahead and lets not try to count years in social security nets or healthcare for the non-rich (or health in itself for that matter). In average I'd say the US is behind the curve and falling further by the day, especially now China has become a semi-great soon to be superpower.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  Any European government? https://rsf.org/en/news/romania-tries-use-gdpr-force-journalists-reveal-sources https://rsf.org/en/news/romania-tries-use-gdpr-force-journal...
  - arcticbull 8y ago
    Yeah it’s just analytics data. I trust every shady website I’ve ever visited with what I click on, why should a government service (provided by the government to me in the public good) be any different? What could they possibly get from that the census bureau doesn’t have? The tax authority?
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- briandear 8y ago
  Europe has a long and recent history of not being worthy of trust. Francoist Spain just ended in 1975. We had communist Europe fairly recently. The Nazis weren’t that long ago. We’ve had actual genocide in Europe within the past 30 years. It’s a mistake to “trust” any government beyond what can be immediately audited and verified. However to your point about analytics: that’s pretty benign unless those analytics are personally identifiable.
tonmoy 8y ago
But it is a government website, the government employees would have access to the data regardless of using GA
- harry8 8y ago
  Yeah and they can't cross reference it with which newspaper stories you read, for example, like google can, will and do then selling that information you did not agree to provide to google and google's customers.
mirimir 8y ago
Sure, I don't trust government bureaucracies either. However, they can easily get lots of compromising data from their own servers. Both from standard web server logs, and from their own scripts and tools. Once you involve third-party analytics, though, there's another party to worry about. And not just about what they do with the data, but also about how carefully they manage it. That's arguably a key thing in GDPR.

That's actually a much more reasonable answer than the one I had imagined. The unfortunate part is that I don't trust anyone not to misuse the data, especially not government employees.

arcticbull 8y ago

Interesting, the 'especially from government employees' bit feels like a very US-centric reaction. In many other places in the world people just kinda trust their governments. I have no problem with any European government collecting analytics data.

dmichulke 8y ago
I disagree, as always the US is just 10 years ahead (so it will come to us as well, just later) and there are numerous law initiatives that show to what extent your privacy and freedom of expression is a concern of politicians.
- Dahoon 8y ago
  >I disagree, as always the US is just 10 years ahead At the same time the US is 10 years behind. GDPR is far ahead of anything the US has. Gun control is 50+ years ahead and lets not try to count years in social security nets or healthcare for the non-rich (or health in itself for that matter). In average I'd say the US is behind the curve and falling further by the day, especially now China has become a semi-great soon to be superpower.
scarejunba 8y ago
Any European government? https://rsf.org/en/news/romania-tries-use-gdpr-force-journalists-reveal-sources https://rsf.org/en/news/romania-tries-use-gdpr-force-journal...
- arcticbull 8y ago
  Yeah it’s just analytics data. I trust every shady website I’ve ever visited with what I click on, why should a government service (provided by the government to me in the public good) be any different? What could they possibly get from that the census bureau doesn’t have? The tax authority?
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briandear 8y ago
Europe has a long and recent history of not being worthy of trust. Francoist Spain just ended in 1975. We had communist Europe fairly recently. The Nazis weren’t that long ago. We’ve had actual genocide in Europe within the past 30 years. It’s a mistake to “trust” any government beyond what can be immediately audited and verified. However to your point about analytics: that’s pretty benign unless those analytics are personally identifiable.

tonmoy 8y ago

But it is a government website, the government employees would have access to the data regardless of using GA

harry8 8y ago
Yeah and they can't cross reference it with which newspaper stories you read, for example, like google can, will and do then selling that information you did not agree to provide to google and google's customers.

mirimir 8y ago

Sure, I don't trust government bureaucracies either. However, they can easily get lots of compromising data from their own servers. Both from standard web server logs, and from their own scripts and tools. Once you involve third-party analytics, though, there's another party to worry about. And not just about what they do with the data, but also about how carefully they manage it. That's arguably a key thing in GDPR.