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"The worse a product is for you, the better the marketing has to be." Sugar and nicotine hardly need ads at all! But yes, the combination of natural addictivit

"The worse a product is for you, the better the marketing has to be." Sugar and nicotine hardly need ads at all! But yes, the combination of natural addictivity + marketing can be rugged. What's missing from the equation is caffeine + taurine combinations, i.e. energy drinks. The ill effects are subversive because it's not at all obvious but I think elevated, consistent consumption can wear on one's endocrine system. I'll admit this is not entirely scientifically backed but it's also a hard thing to suss out of data, and hard to prove, and of course in limited quantities there's no problem.

mises 8y ago
> The ill effects are subversive because it's not at all obvious... elevated, consistent consumption can wear on one's endocrine system. Not too hard to subversive for some people; you're absolutely right about the wear: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 I imagine some people are more sensitive, but it's still a concern. Of course, coffee is still supposed to be really good for you (especially black). Caffeine is also not very addictive, especially compared to tobacco or to sugar. The problem is sugar is in everything (or almost), meaning it's really hard to get away from. It's hard to give a concentrated form of something up when you are constantly exposed to dilute quantities. I would challenge anyone who reads this to stop eating foods with lots of added sugar for a while. If you resume, you will be amazed at how ludicrously sweet things taste. Just something to think on.
- reidjs 8y ago
  Did you just say caffeine is not very addictive?? In what world is that true. I craaaave coffee all the time and I only drink it black haha.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    If you stop taking caffeine, the physical cravings should go away after about a week. You'll wake up without it about as well as you were habitually waking up with it.
    - zepolen 8y ago
      That's not a good indicator of ease of quitting. The physical cravings of nicotine leave after 3 days.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        3 days is how long it takes the nicotine to leave your system. Cravings can last 1-2 or 1-3 months depending on who you ask.
- slavik81 8y ago
  > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 > An interview revealed a 2- to 3-week history of daily ingestion of 100 to 120 oz of Red Bull energy drink That's between 3 and 3.5L of Red Bull each day. Every day! I can't even imagine buying enough to have it available to drink like that.
gowld 8y ago
Sugar needs ads because it's not visually/aurally appealing on its own. Vendors can't shove a sample of sugar in your mouth and then ask you if you want to buy more.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  "Vendors can't shove a sample of sugar in your mouth and then ask you if you want to buy more." Of course they can! Chocolate! Doughnuts! Candy! The list goes on. If there were no ads for chocolate, we'd still buy it en masse ...

mises 8y ago

> The ill effects are subversive because it's not at all obvious... elevated, consistent consumption can wear on one's endocrine system. Not too hard to subversive for some people; you're absolutely right about the wear: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 I imagine some people are more sensitive, but it's still a concern. Of course, coffee is still supposed to be really good for you (especially black). Caffeine is also not very addictive, especially compared to tobacco or to sugar. The problem is sugar is in everything (or almost), meaning it's really hard to get away from. It's hard to give a concentrated form of something up when you are constantly exposed to dilute quantities. I would challenge anyone who reads this to stop eating foods with lots of added sugar for a while. If you resume, you will be amazed at how ludicrously sweet things taste. Just something to think on.

reidjs 8y ago
Did you just say caffeine is not very addictive?? In what world is that true. I craaaave coffee all the time and I only drink it black haha.
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  If you stop taking caffeine, the physical cravings should go away after about a week. You'll wake up without it about as well as you were habitually waking up with it.
  - zepolen 8y ago
    That's not a good indicator of ease of quitting. The physical cravings of nicotine leave after 3 days.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      3 days is how long it takes the nicotine to leave your system. Cravings can last 1-2 or 1-3 months depending on who you ask.
slavik81 8y ago
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24986632 > An interview revealed a 2- to 3-week history of daily ingestion of 100 to 120 oz of Red Bull energy drink That's between 3 and 3.5L of Red Bull each day. Every day! I can't even imagine buying enough to have it available to drink like that.

gowld 8y ago

Sugar needs ads because it's not visually/aurally appealing on its own. Vendors can't shove a sample of sugar in your mouth and then ask you if you want to buy more.

sonnyblarney 8y ago
"Vendors can't shove a sample of sugar in your mouth and then ask you if you want to buy more." Of course they can! Chocolate! Doughnuts! Candy! The list goes on. If there were no ads for chocolate, we'd still buy it en masse ...