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>> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. It's the inadverten

>> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. It's the inadvertent exposure that's more of a problem. The access is just so easy. If you were browsing at the time it was happening, you almost couldn't not watch the video because it was so prevelant. I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process it. I made a conscious choice/effort not to watch it and 99% succeeded. But there are moments I couldn't miss because they were everywhere. By the way, that's not burying my head in the sand. It's more about respecting the dead and not needing to see it to understand the darkness in some people.

dredmorbius 8y ago
The fact that browsers, websites, and apps autoplay video, often with sound, doesn't help. I've posted a ... friendly notice to Google about this.
huffmsa 8y ago
You think you understand, but until you really see something or someone go from living and breath to abruptly dead, you don't. As for the 16 year old, it wasn't long ago that by 16 you'd have seen a few of your siblings and friends succumbed to illness or accident. Death used to be part of life and we dealt with it.
- TheTruth1234 8y ago
  I'm not saying we need to be in denial of death. I'm well versed, thanks. But that doesn't mean I need or want to tune into the live-action progress of a disgusting, terrorist attack.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    And I'm not saying it should be played in time square. But hiding it from the "normal" parts of the internet doesn't do anyone any favors.
    - TheTruth1234 8y ago
      If I open my browser, pop on to twitter, and the video is right there waiting under the top trending topic ... it might as well be Time Square.
      - huffmsa 8y ago
        So click "hide" and carry on. Or Twitter can implement a "do not autoplay sensitive content" feature.
        Mirioron 8y ago
        I wish they didn't autoplay anything.
        sincerely 8y ago
        I think you can turn that off in your account settings, actually (it may be called something like "data saver" or the like)
    - lostlogin 8y ago
      What about the fact the he wanted the video viewed and his crap to be read? Not participating in something he wants is (another) motivation for avoiding his creations.
      - 1123581321 8y ago
        Should we assume that any view plays into the aims of the attack, or is there a way to view this footage that thwarts its goals? If there is a way, what can we do to increase the number of people who use it (given that they view the footage at all?)
      - huffmsa 8y ago
        He's a terrorist, he intended to terrorize. Looking him in the eye and telling him to fuck off is the best thing you can do.
gojomo 8y ago
I'm curious, on what sites/services did you find the video so prevalent it was hard to avoid?
- TheTruth1234 8y ago
  If you need to ask me that ... I congratulate you on your restrained use of social media.
  - gruez 8y ago
    Are you saying that the video was being posted to social media as "shock videos" (ie. the viewer did not know that it was violent before watching it)? If so, why is censorship needed, rather than a NSFW/NSFL label?
    - TheTruth1234 8y ago
      I'm saying the video was readily available as "news". I don't care how it's dealt with, but I prefer it not to be a part of my regular online diet.
      - gojomo 8y ago
        So, how does having it be "available as 'news'", behind an intentional click or two for those who feel they want or even "need" to know, affect your online diet? Can't you just pass it over without clicking, like with the hundreds/thousands of other offered-but-unwanted links one encounters in daily web/app usage?
        TheTruth1234 8y ago
        "Intentional" .... It was beneath the top trending hashtag on twitter. Initially, it was absolutely not obvious what the video was that kept appearing. Sometimes it would auto play. Obviously rapidly it became clear what was going on ... and then it was a basic game to escape ... and then to just switch off social media. Honestly ... there are some f@cking weird questions asked about this subject on HN. Do you mind if I ask your age and general location? I'm really curious.
tomp 8y ago
Why do you think the reaction would be any different from any violent action movie? If you don’t know the context, you also don’t know that those people actually died.
- TheTruth1234 8y ago
  I did know the context.
  - tomp 8y ago
    Then it cannot be “inadvertent exposure”.
Mirioron 8y ago
>I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process it. I saw ISIS propaganda videos at around the age of 16. The ones where they kill people in various ways. Nothing else in life has made me disgusted by other people as much as those videos did. I'm reminded of the videos when I read about ISIS. It strengthens my view that ISIS is a group that needs to be fought.
oliwarner 8y ago
A million times this. Every public interaction you make is an excuse for Facebook to shove it in the face of your friends. If you see this and angry-like it, it pops up on a few hundred more feeds. Rinse, repeat. Viral. Facebook is particularly bad because their moderation team appears to be staffed exclusively by a pile of libertarian twelve year olds. I've flagged local drug sales, sexually explicit content (no, not casual or functional nudity) many times and had my flags rejected.

dredmorbius 8y ago

The fact that browsers, websites, and apps autoplay video, often with sound, doesn't help. I've posted a ... friendly notice to Google about this.

huffmsa 8y ago

You think you understand, but until you really see something or someone go from living and breath to abruptly dead, you don't. As for the 16 year old, it wasn't long ago that by 16 you'd have seen a few of your siblings and friends succumbed to illness or accident. Death used to be part of life and we dealt with it.

TheTruth1234 8y ago
I'm not saying we need to be in denial of death. I'm well versed, thanks. But that doesn't mean I need or want to tune into the live-action progress of a disgusting, terrorist attack.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  And I'm not saying it should be played in time square. But hiding it from the "normal" parts of the internet doesn't do anyone any favors.
  - TheTruth1234 8y ago
    If I open my browser, pop on to twitter, and the video is right there waiting under the top trending topic ... it might as well be Time Square.
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      So click "hide" and carry on. Or Twitter can implement a "do not autoplay sensitive content" feature.
      - Mirioron 8y ago
        I wish they didn't autoplay anything.
        sincerely 8y ago
        I think you can turn that off in your account settings, actually (it may be called something like "data saver" or the like)
  - lostlogin 8y ago
    What about the fact the he wanted the video viewed and his crap to be read? Not participating in something he wants is (another) motivation for avoiding his creations.
    - 1123581321 8y ago
      Should we assume that any view plays into the aims of the attack, or is there a way to view this footage that thwarts its goals? If there is a way, what can we do to increase the number of people who use it (given that they view the footage at all?)
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      He's a terrorist, he intended to terrorize. Looking him in the eye and telling him to fuck off is the best thing you can do.

gojomo 8y ago

I'm curious, on what sites/services did you find the video so prevalent it was hard to avoid?

TheTruth1234 8y ago
If you need to ask me that ... I congratulate you on your restrained use of social media.
- gruez 8y ago
  Are you saying that the video was being posted to social media as "shock videos" (ie. the viewer did not know that it was violent before watching it)? If so, why is censorship needed, rather than a NSFW/NSFL label?
  - TheTruth1234 8y ago
    I'm saying the video was readily available as "news". I don't care how it's dealt with, but I prefer it not to be a part of my regular online diet.
    - gojomo 8y ago
      So, how does having it be "available as 'news'", behind an intentional click or two for those who feel they want or even "need" to know, affect your online diet? Can't you just pass it over without clicking, like with the hundreds/thousands of other offered-but-unwanted links one encounters in daily web/app usage?
      - TheTruth1234 8y ago
        "Intentional" .... It was beneath the top trending hashtag on twitter. Initially, it was absolutely not obvious what the video was that kept appearing. Sometimes it would auto play. Obviously rapidly it became clear what was going on ... and then it was a basic game to escape ... and then to just switch off social media. Honestly ... there are some f@cking weird questions asked about this subject on HN. Do you mind if I ask your age and general location? I'm really curious.

tomp 8y ago

Why do you think the reaction would be any different from any violent action movie? If you don’t know the context, you also don’t know that those people actually died.

TheTruth1234 8y ago
I did know the context.
- tomp 8y ago
  Then it cannot be “inadvertent exposure”.

Mirioron 8y ago

>I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process it. I saw ISIS propaganda videos at around the age of 16. The ones where they kill people in various ways. Nothing else in life has made me disgusted by other people as much as those videos did. I'm reminded of the videos when I read about ISIS. It strengthens my view that ISIS is a group that needs to be fought.

oliwarner 8y ago

A million times this. Every public interaction you make is an excuse for Facebook to shove it in the face of your friends. If you see this and angry-like it, it pops up on a few hundred more feeds. Rinse, repeat. Viral. Facebook is particularly bad because their moderation team appears to be staffed exclusively by a pile of libertarian twelve year olds. I've flagged local drug sales, sexually explicit content (no, not casual or functional nudity) many times and had my flags rejected.