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> They want you to face jail, if you provide an "internet based service", which "accessibility is restricted due to specific, technical precautionary measures",

> They want you to face jail, if you provide an "internet based service", which "accessibility is restricted due to specific, technical precautionary measures", and which "purpose is to allow or encourage specific illegal actions". So they are making it illegal trying to hide your illegal activity? How very useful. Not redundant at all.

saiya-jin 8y ago
Hold your horses a bit, cowboy. You realize this tool was created by NSA and helped countless dissidents, journalists etc in highly oppressive regimes to express their voices. Something a German citizen should still be concerned about when trying to learn from history... Yes there is illicit usage of this in crime world (even though some small portion can be morally justifiable, most is not), but there should be at least a discussion about pros and cons if we want to call ourselves a just and fair society (which I realize is not what everybody craves for, but I hope vast majority does).
- swixmix 8y ago
  Not created by NSA from what I read. A US Gov't agency, yes, but not that one.
  - faissaloo 8y ago
    It was created by the Navy
- decasteve 8y ago
  It was actually created at the NRL.
tinco 8y ago
No, they are making it illegal to aid other people's illegal activities through web services. I think it's more of a clarification of what constitutes aiding criminal activities in the internet services context.
pbhjpbhj 8y ago
>and which "purpose is to allow or encourage specific illegal actions". The purpose of tor is not that, which makes it a weird clause. Perhaps something like "knowingly facilitates illegal activity" would fit, still not great wording, writing legislation is hard. >"accessibility is restricted due to specific, technical precautionary measures" Maybe it's a translation issue but having years of reading legal-technical documentation I can't quite parse this: all access to computer services are technical and specific, so far just leaves 'precautionary' to carry any meaning -- who is taking what precautions in setting up tor exit-nodes [in the view of this phrasing?].

saiya-jin 8y ago

Hold your horses a bit, cowboy. You realize this tool was created by NSA and helped countless dissidents, journalists etc in highly oppressive regimes to express their voices. Something a German citizen should still be concerned about when trying to learn from history... Yes there is illicit usage of this in crime world (even though some small portion can be morally justifiable, most is not), but there should be at least a discussion about pros and cons if we want to call ourselves a just and fair society (which I realize is not what everybody craves for, but I hope vast majority does).

swixmix 8y ago
Not created by NSA from what I read. A US Gov't agency, yes, but not that one.
- faissaloo 8y ago
  It was created by the Navy
decasteve 8y ago
It was actually created at the NRL.

tinco 8y ago

No, they are making it illegal to aid other people's illegal activities through web services. I think it's more of a clarification of what constitutes aiding criminal activities in the internet services context.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

>and which "purpose is to allow or encourage specific illegal actions". The purpose of tor is not that, which makes it a weird clause. Perhaps something like "knowingly facilitates illegal activity" would fit, still not great wording, writing legislation is hard. >"accessibility is restricted due to specific, technical precautionary measures" Maybe it's a translation issue but having years of reading legal-technical documentation I can't quite parse this: all access to computer services are technical and specific, so far just leaves 'precautionary' to carry any meaning -- who is taking what precautions in setting up tor exit-nodes [in the view of this phrasing?].