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Glad to know Tesla is going to focus on Solar Roof and Powerwall this year. Quite honest of him to say that Model 3 caused delays there.

7e 8y ago
No doubt the Model 3 also prevented the coast to coast self driving demo promised for 2017.
- ehnto 8y ago
  I think self driving is just proving to be a harder problem to solve than they and the rest of the industry thought.
  - AndrewBissell 8y ago
    The rest of the industry at least had the compunction not to sell the product before it was finished.
    - ehnto 8y ago
      Can't argue there. Their marketing was definitely ahead their developmemt.
      - cma 8y ago
        He doesn't mean sell as in sales pitch, they are actually taking money for vapor.
  - computerex 8y ago
    It's ignorant to compare Tesla to the rest of the industry. Tesla only pretends to be in autonomous driving. You can't in fairness compare Tesla to actual companies like Cruise/MobilEye/Waymo that have real autonomous driving tech.
    - ehnto 8y ago
      I wasn't comparing anyone. However, every one of the companies you mentioned have fallen short of their claims early on. I couldn't say whether Tesla has real self driving tech in the works or not, ignoring what they have released, but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved.
      - computerex 8y ago
        > However, every one of the companies you mentioned have fallen short of their claims early on What's your source for this claim? > but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved. Self driving will always be constrained. Sure we don't have the tech to go anywhere in the U.S without any human intervention, but that's not the end all be all goal. Being able to reliably operate a fleet of autonomous vehicles in a traffic dense metropolis is a fantastic goal, one very close to realization. Waymo can now operate totally driverless cars in some areas of California: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/newsrel/2018/2018_81 https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/newsrel/2018/2... > Sacramento – Pursuant to state law and regulation, the Department of Motor Vehicles today issued a permit to Waymo authorizing the company to test driverless vehicles on public roads, including freeways, highways and streets within the cities of Palo Alto, Mountain View, Los Altos, Los Altos Hills and Sunnyvale, in Santa Clara County. While Waymo has held a permit to test autonomous vehicles with a driver since 2014, the new permit allows the company to test a fleet of about three dozen test vehicles without drivers behind the wheel.
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
      What do you know?
      - computerex 8y ago
        What an argument.
mikorym 8y ago
Solar roofs in Johannesburg, South Africa would be huge. Power supply is a big problem as the state owned utility Eskom is very unreliable. We have "load shedding" at least every week at the moment. Yesterday the power was down from about 08h00 to 12h30.
- callalex 8y ago
  Solar panels already exist and have existed for a long time.
  - mikorym 8y ago
    I am not saying Tesla is the company that should provide this, but at least Tesla generates headlines. We would need a modular approach, whether on a household level or on a regional level. The utility is not going to provide it and existing companies in SA don't offer household kits that includes a battery system like the powerwall.
- navigatesol 8y ago
  >Power supply is a big problem as the state owned utility Eskom is very unreliable. So a country too poor to have a reliable electrical grid is going to be a huge consumer of premium-priced solar panels? That's a stretch.
- dragontamer 8y ago
  Solar Roof is form over function. It doesn't seem to deliver as much electricity as a regular solar panel, it costs tens of thousands of dollars more, and generates less electricity. IMO, Tesla should just quit the Solar Roof project. Just keep it to regular solar panels.
  - zhoujianfu 8y ago
    10s of 10s of thousands... I just got a solar roof vs regular Tesla panels for our house quoted and it was $140K vs $40K!
  - tachyonbeam 8y ago

7e 8y ago

No doubt the Model 3 also prevented the coast to coast self driving demo promised for 2017.

ehnto 8y ago
I think self driving is just proving to be a harder problem to solve than they and the rest of the industry thought.
- AndrewBissell 8y ago
  The rest of the industry at least had the compunction not to sell the product before it was finished.
  - ehnto 8y ago
    Can't argue there. Their marketing was definitely ahead their developmemt.
    - cma 8y ago
      He doesn't mean sell as in sales pitch, they are actually taking money for vapor.
- computerex 8y ago
  It's ignorant to compare Tesla to the rest of the industry. Tesla only pretends to be in autonomous driving. You can't in fairness compare Tesla to actual companies like Cruise/MobilEye/Waymo that have real autonomous driving tech.
  - ehnto 8y ago
    I wasn't comparing anyone. However, every one of the companies you mentioned have fallen short of their claims early on. I couldn't say whether Tesla has real self driving tech in the works or not, ignoring what they have released, but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved.
    - computerex 8y ago
      > However, every one of the companies you mentioned have fallen short of their claims early on What's your source for this claim? > but it is clear that self driving in the real world is yet to be solved. Self driving will always be constrained. Sure we don't have the tech to go anywhere in the U.S without any human intervention, but that's not the end all be all goal. Being able to reliably operate a fleet of autonomous vehicles in a traffic dense metropolis is a fantastic goal, one very close to realization. Waymo can now operate totally driverless cars in some areas of California: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/newsrel/2018/2018_81 https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/newsrel/2018/2... > Sacramento – Pursuant to state law and regulation, the Department of Motor Vehicles today issued a permit to Waymo authorizing the company to test driverless vehicles on public roads, including freeways, highways and streets within the cities of Palo Alto, Mountain View, Los Altos, Los Altos Hills and Sunnyvale, in Santa Clara County. While Waymo has held a permit to test autonomous vehicles with a driver since 2014, the new permit allows the company to test a fleet of about three dozen test vehicles without drivers behind the wheel.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
    What do you know?
    - computerex 8y ago
      What an argument.

mikorym 8y ago

Solar roofs in Johannesburg, South Africa would be huge. Power supply is a big problem as the state owned utility Eskom is very unreliable. We have "load shedding" at least every week at the moment. Yesterday the power was down from about 08h00 to 12h30.

callalex 8y ago
Solar panels already exist and have existed for a long time.
- mikorym 8y ago
  I am not saying Tesla is the company that should provide this, but at least Tesla generates headlines. We would need a modular approach, whether on a household level or on a regional level. The utility is not going to provide it and existing companies in SA don't offer household kits that includes a battery system like the powerwall.
navigatesol 8y ago
>Power supply is a big problem as the state owned utility Eskom is very unreliable. So a country too poor to have a reliable electrical grid is going to be a huge consumer of premium-priced solar panels? That's a stretch.
dragontamer 8y ago
Solar Roof is form over function. It doesn't seem to deliver as much electricity as a regular solar panel, it costs tens of thousands of dollars more, and generates less electricity. IMO, Tesla should just quit the Solar Roof project. Just keep it to regular solar panels.
- zhoujianfu 8y ago
  10s of 10s of thousands... I just got a solar roof vs regular Tesla panels for our house quoted and it was $140K vs $40K!
- tachyonbeam 8y ago