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Just a month ago there was a HN thread about sex censorship killing off safe spaces for LGBTQ folks and more. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19061135 htt

by fouc 8y ago

Just a month ago there was a HN thread about sex censorship killing off safe spaces for LGBTQ folks and more. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19061135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19061135 Tumbler really didn't do anyone justice. They're clearly reaping what they sowed. Unfortunately it's a lose/lose/lose situation for all.

hashberry 8y ago
This "sex censorship" includes child pornography, since the availability of it caused Tumblr's app to be banned from iOS.[0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/20/18104366/tumblr-ios-app-child-pornography-removed-from-app-store https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/20/18104366/tumblr-ios-app-...
- At1C 8y ago
  Bullshit
  - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
    You're not wrong, but you need to substantiate or fill out your claim.
  - dang 8y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?
- nemothekid 8y ago
  I really find that the child pornography angle was a convenient lie to push through the banning of porn on tumblr. It's my view that Verizon didn't want it, so it had to go away. Child pornography online isn't a new problem and Tumblr must have been negligent in policing it.
  - dgzl 8y ago
    Or maybe they don't want to subject their employees to having to police child pornography.
    - balt_s 8y ago
      Oh please, so they're suddenly far more moral than snap/insta/insert-photo-share-site-here? What an absurd reach
      - dgzl 8y ago
        The absurd reach is pretending that a company shouldn't take every measure possible in preventing its platform from hosting some of the most abusive and criminal content on the planet. What makes you think they're not more moral than the other platforms? What makes you think this has anything to do with morality at all?
        BethGagaShaggy 8y ago
        I agree. I too think that the internet shouldn't exist.
        dgzl 8y ago
        I seriously don't understand what connection you're trying to make. It might help if you were less sarcastic and more straight forward.
        renholder 8y ago
        >...shouldn't take every measure possible in preventing its platform from hosting some of the most abusive and criminal content on the planet. If you want to genuinely prevent the most abusive and criminal content on the planet, then - as the comment you're replying to suggests - the only sure way to prevent it is to not allow it to be hosted/connected to/shared/etc. anwyhere across the internet but since you can't ensure that, then we default tothe internet being the medium that makes that possible/happen, so...
- fwip 8y ago
  Unofficial rumors from tumblr staff say that the porn ban was already in the pipeline; the iOS ban just sped the timeline up by a month or two.
TorKlingberg 8y ago
Tumblr didn't do it because they wanted to. They were forced by Apple removing their app from the App Store.
- favorited 8y ago
  That was (according to reports) because of the prevalence of child pornography on their platform, which they apparently didn't have the tools or staff to police. A blanket ban on pornographic content was cheaper and/or easier.
  - deogeo 8y ago
    Presumably child porn was already banned on Tumblr, so how does banning all other porn as well help?
    - protomyth 8y ago
      Flagging all skin is much easier than determining age of person showing skin.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        If they cared about making the filtering easy then I'm not seeing why they banned drawings too.
        protomyth 8y ago
        If you look at a lot of this IDing software, it grabs drawings too. Add some ok drawings in Photo in iOS and watch it add it to the faces list.
        Dylan16807 8y ago
        It can but it makes the classification job significantly more complicated.
criddell 8y ago
> They're clearly reaping what they sowed. They don't want huge traffic that they can't monetize. Unless they release revenue numbers that have also fallen by a lot, then it's hard to say what they've reaped.
- deleted 8y ago
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- bad_user 8y ago
  For a website that clearly depends on being popular for having any hope at monetizing, a 30% traffic hit is huge and indication that the ban is a death sentence. People made similar remarks as yours when Google+ imposed the real name policy. Google+ is now dead. HN tends to think of all sorts of technical or marketing reasons for why platforms live or die, however the best reasons for why social platforms live or die are always social ones.

by fouc 8y ago

hashberry 8y ago

This "sex censorship" includes child pornography, since the availability of it caused Tumblr's app to be banned from iOS.[0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/20/18104366/tumblr-ios-app-child-pornography-removed-from-app-store https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/20/18104366/tumblr-ios-app-...

At1C 8y ago
Bullshit
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
  You're not wrong, but you need to substantiate or fill out your claim.
- dang 8y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?
nemothekid 8y ago
I really find that the child pornography angle was a convenient lie to push through the banning of porn on tumblr. It's my view that Verizon didn't want it, so it had to go away. Child pornography online isn't a new problem and Tumblr must have been negligent in policing it.
- dgzl 8y ago
  Or maybe they don't want to subject their employees to having to police child pornography.
  - balt_s 8y ago
    Oh please, so they're suddenly far more moral than snap/insta/insert-photo-share-site-here? What an absurd reach
    - dgzl 8y ago
      The absurd reach is pretending that a company shouldn't take every measure possible in preventing its platform from hosting some of the most abusive and criminal content on the planet. What makes you think they're not more moral than the other platforms? What makes you think this has anything to do with morality at all?
      - BethGagaShaggy 8y ago
        I agree. I too think that the internet shouldn't exist.
        dgzl 8y ago
        I seriously don't understand what connection you're trying to make. It might help if you were less sarcastic and more straight forward.
        renholder 8y ago
        >...shouldn't take every measure possible in preventing its platform from hosting some of the most abusive and criminal content on the planet. If you want to genuinely prevent the most abusive and criminal content on the planet, then - as the comment you're replying to suggests - the only sure way to prevent it is to not allow it to be hosted/connected to/shared/etc. anwyhere across the internet but since you can't ensure that, then we default tothe internet being the medium that makes that possible/happen, so...
fwip 8y ago
Unofficial rumors from tumblr staff say that the porn ban was already in the pipeline; the iOS ban just sped the timeline up by a month or two.

TorKlingberg 8y ago

Tumblr didn't do it because they wanted to. They were forced by Apple removing their app from the App Store.

favorited 8y ago
That was (according to reports) because of the prevalence of child pornography on their platform, which they apparently didn't have the tools or staff to police. A blanket ban on pornographic content was cheaper and/or easier.
- deogeo 8y ago
  Presumably child porn was already banned on Tumblr, so how does banning all other porn as well help?
  - protomyth 8y ago
    Flagging all skin is much easier than determining age of person showing skin.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      If they cared about making the filtering easy then I'm not seeing why they banned drawings too.
      - protomyth 8y ago
        If you look at a lot of this IDing software, it grabs drawings too. Add some ok drawings in Photo in iOS and watch it add it to the faces list.
        Dylan16807 8y ago
        It can but it makes the classification job significantly more complicated.

criddell 8y ago

> They're clearly reaping what they sowed. They don't want huge traffic that they can't monetize. Unless they release revenue numbers that have also fallen by a lot, then it's hard to say what they've reaped.

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bad_user 8y ago
For a website that clearly depends on being popular for having any hope at monetizing, a 30% traffic hit is huge and indication that the ban is a death sentence. People made similar remarks as yours when Google+ imposed the real name policy. Google+ is now dead. HN tends to think of all sorts of technical or marketing reasons for why platforms live or die, however the best reasons for why social platforms live or die are always social ones.