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> Kindle for iPhone You put a walled garden... in another walled garden. On a more serious note: I get it; among Apple users are the most happily paying peopl

> Kindle for iPhone You put a walled garden... in another walled garden. On a more serious note: I get it; among Apple users are the most happily paying people that you can find on this planet and if you have a product you want to make it available to them. No wonder they think it their right to take a massive 30% cut.

dysfunction 8y ago
At least the Kindle and Kindle app can read books from other sources, they don't force you to buy from Amazon.
- d35007 8y ago
  Can you clarify what you mean by "At least"? It looks like you might be implying that Apple's Books app forces you to buy books from Apple book store.
caf 8y ago
Or in other words: Apple users are the product that Apple sells to publishers, for 30%?
Dylan16807 8y ago
An important thing is that the Kindle walled garden is an abstract free program that can be installed into most devices. It doesn't try to push the customer around. There are very different types of garden out there.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Amazon very much tries to push publishers around. How is what Amazon does to publishers any different than Apple?
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    Publishers being bullied by Amazon can go somewhere else and reach the same consumers, for the most part. It's intertwined with how much the consumers are being bullied. In the case of e-ink kindles it's sort of the same problem, but the kindle app is available on many platforms so it reduces the harm by a lot.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      In this case Kindle is the platform and it’s far more dominant in its market than iOS is. The book publishers had to conform to Amazon’s terms. https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140608/business/140609052/ https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140608/business/140609... The disagreement spilled into public view last month when Amazon tried to dissuade its customers from buying Hachette titles on its website, removing discounts from some books or delaying shipments by as much as five weeks when items typically ship within three to five days. By refusing to buckle under the pressure, Hachette is leading the charge for publishers' fight against Amazon. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/02/amazon-greedy-giant-with-small-publishers-in-its-grip https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/02/amazon-greedy-... Besides, how far will a book publisher get if they can’t sell on Amazon.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        Most of that's talking about physical books, which isn't really relevant here. Also screw a lot of those publishers. They were demanding control over the price amazon sells at, which should be none of their business. Lawmakers need to fix the first sale doctrine for digital goods. > Besides, how far will a book publisher get if they can’t sell on Amazon. If they can't sell on kindle they should be fine.
        scarface74 8y ago
        So did you read the other article about how much Amazon charges in fees for small publishers and the demands it places on them? So you don’t care about publishers of physical books who according to one of the articles actually go negative because of the “Amazon tax” but you do care about software developers who can’t sell loot boxes without a 30% cut going to Apple What do you think is Amazon’s motive for selling Kindle books below cost if it isn’t to kill competition just to raise prices later?

dysfunction 8y ago

At least the Kindle and Kindle app can read books from other sources, they don't force you to buy from Amazon.

d35007 8y ago
Can you clarify what you mean by "At least"? It looks like you might be implying that Apple's Books app forces you to buy books from Apple book store.

caf 8y ago

Or in other words: Apple users are the product that Apple sells to publishers, for 30%?

Dylan16807 8y ago

An important thing is that the Kindle walled garden is an abstract free program that can be installed into most devices. It doesn't try to push the customer around. There are very different types of garden out there.

scarface74 8y ago
Amazon very much tries to push publishers around. How is what Amazon does to publishers any different than Apple?
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  Publishers being bullied by Amazon can go somewhere else and reach the same consumers, for the most part. It's intertwined with how much the consumers are being bullied. In the case of e-ink kindles it's sort of the same problem, but the kindle app is available on many platforms so it reduces the harm by a lot.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    In this case Kindle is the platform and it’s far more dominant in its market than iOS is. The book publishers had to conform to Amazon’s terms. https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140608/business/140609052/ https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140608/business/140609... The disagreement spilled into public view last month when Amazon tried to dissuade its customers from buying Hachette titles on its website, removing discounts from some books or delaying shipments by as much as five weeks when items typically ship within three to five days. By refusing to buckle under the pressure, Hachette is leading the charge for publishers' fight against Amazon. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/02/amazon-greedy-giant-with-small-publishers-in-its-grip https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/02/amazon-greedy-... Besides, how far will a book publisher get if they can’t sell on Amazon.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      Most of that's talking about physical books, which isn't really relevant here. Also screw a lot of those publishers. They were demanding control over the price amazon sells at, which should be none of their business. Lawmakers need to fix the first sale doctrine for digital goods. > Besides, how far will a book publisher get if they can’t sell on Amazon. If they can't sell on kindle they should be fine.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        So did you read the other article about how much Amazon charges in fees for small publishers and the demands it places on them? So you don’t care about publishers of physical books who according to one of the articles actually go negative because of the “Amazon tax” but you do care about software developers who can’t sell loot boxes without a 30% cut going to Apple What do you think is Amazon’s motive for selling Kindle books below cost if it isn’t to kill competition just to raise prices later?