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> the US airlines the safest in the world Where do you people _get_ these ideas?!
by peteretep 8y ago
> the US airlines the safest in the world
Where do you people _get_ these ideas?!
- mikeash 8y agoMaybe from the fact that the last fatality in a US airline crash was over ten years ago?
- NathanKP 8y agoUnfortunately I think Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 in 2018 counts as resetting that streak. It wasn't a crash but it did result in a death. I think your point still stands though. Very few of the incidents on this list are US airlines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...
- SECProto 8y agoAs far as I could find, there were no Canadian airline crashes in the same time frame. Unless you include small charter-airline type crashes, which would mean some american crashes would be counted too (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rediske_Air_DHC-3_Otter_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rediske_Air_DHC-3_Otter_c... )
- mikeash 8y agoWith less than 1/10th the number of passengers, that’s significantly less meaningful. It does indicate they’re about on an equal footing, though.
- fbelzile 8y agoThat means nothing. All airlines based out of France and Germany are ISOA certified, never had a fatality, and are rated 7/7 by AirlineRatings [0] (industry leader on airline safety ratings), for example. [0] https://www.airlineratings.com/safety-rating-tool/ https://www.airlineratings.com/safety-rating-tool/
- mikeash 8y agoI assume you mean they haven’t had a fatality in the last ten years, not that they’ve never had a fatality?
- rootusrootus 8y agoAF447 was less than ten years ago. So OP is mistaken either way.
- Tomte 8y agoSure, because extended suicide by pilot was excluded, but as a passenger I don't care much whether I die because there was a mistake somewhere or because the pilot was criminally insane. It's downright comical to list Germanwings as "Fatality Free".
- rootusrootus 8y agoThat web site is nice but it does not correctly rate US-only carriers. Also, Air France 447 was less than ten years ago. So your data may be suspect.
- Twirrim 8y agoThat's hardly a unique thing about US airline safety. You're building one heck of a fragile claim there to superiority, a number of other countries can make similar claims, including countries that have similar or better safety records. Just out of a quick wiki trawl over the last ten years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_1354 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_1354 UPS airline plane crashed in 2013, killing all onboard. In the same year, a commercial flight by Rediske Air crashed in Alaska, all 10 people on-board died. While not technically a crash, there was a fatality involving US airline just last year, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380, making the US airline safety record worse than a good number of countries.
- mikeash 8y agoAre you really going to use a UPS crash as an argument here? You actually raise some good points but I can’t get past that one.
- isostatic 8y ago"UPS Airlines Flight 1354 was a scheduled cargo flight from Louisville, Kentucky, to Birmingham, Alabama" U.S. Airline U.S. origin U.S. destination European aircraft (A320) Seems that the cause was problems with American trained pilots, so it's a strong refutation to the assertion "Maybe from the fact that the last fatality in a US airline crash was over ten years ago? "
- mikeash 8y agoDespite the name, UPS Airlines is a cargo company, not an airline. If you want to quibble over semantics, just pretend I specified “passenger airline” since that’s what I was talking about and that’s the relevant category.
- Twirrim 8y agoCargo companies come under the same regulations. You can't ignore them just because it's detrimental to your narrative.
- ciceryadam 8y agoIt's partially true: Qantas held the accolade of AirlineRatings' world safest airline from 2014 to 2017, but took joint honors in 2018 when the website chose not to rank its top 20. For 2019, Qantas is singled out as the best, while the remaining 19 safest airlines haven't been ordered and are instead listed alphabetically. The top 20 are: Air New Zealand, Alaska Airlines, All Nippon Airways, American Airlines, Austrian Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Emirates, EVA Air, Finnair, Hawaiian Airlines, KLM, Lufthansa, Qantas, Qatar Airways, Scandinavian Airline System, Singapore Airlines, Swiss, and United Airlines and Virgin group of airlines (Atlantic and Australia). Source: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-safest-airlines-2019/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-safest-airline...
- Cacti 8y agoThere has been one death in the past decade of US commercial flights. One in a decade of over 90 million flights.
- rootusrootus 8y agoBut if you extend the time frame by a month and a day, it's 51. I otherwise agree.
- Cacti 8y agoYes, because that was the exact crash that led to a number of improvements in air safety in the US...
- helaoban 8y agoCare to offer evidence to the contrary to support your incredulity?