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So, if PR is the only thing holding these guys back then surely many ISPs are already doing this secretly, right? Personally, I encourage everyone to fully exp

So, if PR is the only thing holding these guys back then surely many ISPs are already doing this secretly, right? Personally, I encourage everyone to fully exploit any and all data they can get their hands on, for whatever purpose interests them. Until everything is encrypted end-to-end, somebody will always be doing it anyway. The sooner the general public figures that out and starts channeling their outrage into a real solution, the better.

joe_the_user 16y ago
Wow, this is getting up votes? I encourage everyone to fully exploit any and all data they can get their hands on I think SAP found out where this can lead. A piece of data doesn't have to be under lock and key for it to not belong to you. Moreover, it's not really that hard to be caught when you start scanning "all the data you can get your hands on" rather than all the data you have a legal right to look at. Edit: ISP could only benefit by doing this publicly since they have to actively sell this to ad-buyers to make money. And it would cost a bit of money to do.
- extension 16y ago
  I don't encourage it because I think it's a nice thing to do. I just have zero faith in niceness, or the general public's perception of what is nice, to keep them secure. If all parties were transparent about their self-interest, the nature and scope of the problem would become much more clear to everyone. Instead, we spend all our energy going after the occasional red herring with a curly mustache. Facebook looking at your referer header? Evil! Google sniffing open wifi? Dastardly! Gmail scraping email for adsense keywords? Insidious! Anything that contributes to this theatre is just helping to keep the masses ignorant.
wladimir 16y ago
You have a point here. 1) Everything that makes people aware, or gives media attention to how easily they leak data or how easy it is to manipulate non-encrypted data is good. It will encourage people to use more secure services. 2) It will encourage services to finally start using SSL or other encrypted protocols which in the end will be good for everyone. After all, you don't want the ISP to be inserting ads in your site.

joe_the_user 16y ago

Wow, this is getting up votes? I encourage everyone to fully exploit any and all data they can get their hands on I think SAP found out where this can lead. A piece of data doesn't have to be under lock and key for it to not belong to you. Moreover, it's not really that hard to be caught when you start scanning "all the data you can get your hands on" rather than all the data you have a legal right to look at. Edit: ISP could only benefit by doing this publicly since they have to actively sell this to ad-buyers to make money. And it would cost a bit of money to do.

extension 16y ago
I don't encourage it because I think it's a nice thing to do. I just have zero faith in niceness, or the general public's perception of what is nice, to keep them secure. If all parties were transparent about their self-interest, the nature and scope of the problem would become much more clear to everyone. Instead, we spend all our energy going after the occasional red herring with a curly mustache. Facebook looking at your referer header? Evil! Google sniffing open wifi? Dastardly! Gmail scraping email for adsense keywords? Insidious! Anything that contributes to this theatre is just helping to keep the masses ignorant.

wladimir 16y ago

You have a point here. 1) Everything that makes people aware, or gives media attention to how easily they leak data or how easy it is to manipulate non-encrypted data is good. It will encourage people to use more secure services. 2) It will encourage services to finally start using SSL or other encrypted protocols which in the end will be good for everyone. After all, you don't want the ISP to be inserting ads in your site.