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Probably some docs pertaining to Haiti's debt to Venezuela in that bank, not sure why the US would intervene but cant help but think this wouldnt be related, al

Probably some docs pertaining to Haiti's debt to Venezuela in that bank, not sure why the US would intervene but cant help but think this wouldnt be related, almost seems obvious.

panchicore3 8y ago
interesting, so I assume if I google "venezuela and haiti bilateral deals" we can get "[1] Both leaders [POV and POH] also reaffirmed their governments’ commitment to the PetroCaribe program, an initiative created by former President Hugo Chavez Frias which sees Venezuela export oil to Haiti and other Caribbean and Central American nations at 40 percent of the market cost, with the remainder payable via 25-year low interest loans." https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13522 https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13522 (didn't OSINT the source) Like this one?
- jamisteven 8y ago
  Wowzers. Yep, and there it is.
- Kavenerinds 8y ago
  I see the connection, but I guess I'm missing something. Why would the US want those documents?
  - graedus 8y ago
    This seems to be relevant background: https://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-haiti-petrocaribe-files/ https://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-haiti-petrocarib...
    - Kavenerinds 8y ago
      That was a great read. I was looking for more recent background regarding Qatar's involvement. What befuddled me is why the US needs to be involved with Haiti selling its debt to Qatar? Is that out of comfort, necessity, or something else? I can see the US playing the role of a broker. However, the powers-that-be in Haiti must want to stay aligned with Venezuela instead of the US/Qatar if they do not want to sell the debt to Qatar.
      - jamisteven 8y ago
        "What befuddled me is why the US needs to be involved with Haiti selling its debt to Qatar?" Lookup Russia's interest in Cuba in previous years, and the US interest in that. The US would be interested in thr Haiti/Qatar link for the same reasons, which is basically proximity.
        Kavenerinds 8y ago
        I am aware of the Russia/Cuba/US love triangle. It's only recently that the US has become part of the equation. I imagine Russia is helping Qatar with its construction for the upcoming World Cup. Just did some preliminary googling and it seems Qatar now owns a major percentage of Rosneft (energy co.), along with purchasing arms from Russia. All that being said, the situation of US foreign relations is truly sad.
tomatotomato37 8y ago
The US always has some hand in Caribbean affairs. It's just part of the realities of being a small island country next to a world superpower.
- stirfrykitty 8y ago
  All courtesy of the Monroe Doctrine. The US thinks it should control the entire hemisphere. Also interesting for American citizens living and working overseas: if you work overseas, even for a completely foreign entity with zero US operations, you are expected to pay Uncle Sam taxes on that income. Only Liberia and the US engage in this shenanigans. It makes it hard to get ahead if you want to work overseas for awhile.
  - nradov 8y ago
    Expatriates can take advantage of the foreign earned income exclusion up to about $105K. For US citizens with higher foreign incomes it's totally fair to require them to pay some income taxes. They still benefit from being citizens even when they're not physically present in the country. And if they don't like it they can just pay a small fee to renounce their citizenship.
    - jypepin 8y ago
      My wife if a US citizen and we are living abroad right now. Not sure what benefits you are talking about that warrants paying a tax while abroad.
      - gergles 8y ago
        Being able to vote. Consular services. The American military keeping the peace worldwide. You can quibble over the value of these services, but there are logical reasons why countries may want to tax overseas citizens who retain citizenship.
        stirfrykitty 8y ago

Probably some docs pertaining to Haiti's debt to Venezuela in that bank, not sure why the US would intervene but cant help but think this wouldnt be related, almost seems obvious.

panchicore3 8y ago

interesting, so I assume if I google "venezuela and haiti bilateral deals" we can get "[1] Both leaders [POV and POH] also reaffirmed their governments’ commitment to the PetroCaribe program, an initiative created by former President Hugo Chavez Frias which sees Venezuela export oil to Haiti and other Caribbean and Central American nations at 40 percent of the market cost, with the remainder payable via 25-year low interest loans." https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13522 https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13522 (didn't OSINT the source) Like this one?

jamisteven 8y ago
Wowzers. Yep, and there it is.
Kavenerinds 8y ago
I see the connection, but I guess I'm missing something. Why would the US want those documents?
- graedus 8y ago
  This seems to be relevant background: https://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-haiti-petrocaribe-files/ https://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-haiti-petrocarib...
  - Kavenerinds 8y ago
    That was a great read. I was looking for more recent background regarding Qatar's involvement. What befuddled me is why the US needs to be involved with Haiti selling its debt to Qatar? Is that out of comfort, necessity, or something else? I can see the US playing the role of a broker. However, the powers-that-be in Haiti must want to stay aligned with Venezuela instead of the US/Qatar if they do not want to sell the debt to Qatar.
    - jamisteven 8y ago
      "What befuddled me is why the US needs to be involved with Haiti selling its debt to Qatar?" Lookup Russia's interest in Cuba in previous years, and the US interest in that. The US would be interested in thr Haiti/Qatar link for the same reasons, which is basically proximity.
      - Kavenerinds 8y ago
        I am aware of the Russia/Cuba/US love triangle. It's only recently that the US has become part of the equation. I imagine Russia is helping Qatar with its construction for the upcoming World Cup. Just did some preliminary googling and it seems Qatar now owns a major percentage of Rosneft (energy co.), along with purchasing arms from Russia. All that being said, the situation of US foreign relations is truly sad.

tomatotomato37 8y ago

The US always has some hand in Caribbean affairs. It's just part of the realities of being a small island country next to a world superpower.

stirfrykitty 8y ago
All courtesy of the Monroe Doctrine. The US thinks it should control the entire hemisphere. Also interesting for American citizens living and working overseas: if you work overseas, even for a completely foreign entity with zero US operations, you are expected to pay Uncle Sam taxes on that income. Only Liberia and the US engage in this shenanigans. It makes it hard to get ahead if you want to work overseas for awhile.
- nradov 8y ago
  Expatriates can take advantage of the foreign earned income exclusion up to about $105K. For US citizens with higher foreign incomes it's totally fair to require them to pay some income taxes. They still benefit from being citizens even when they're not physically present in the country. And if they don't like it they can just pay a small fee to renounce their citizenship.
  - jypepin 8y ago
    My wife if a US citizen and we are living abroad right now. Not sure what benefits you are talking about that warrants paying a tax while abroad.
    - gergles 8y ago
      Being able to vote. Consular services. The American military keeping the peace worldwide. You can quibble over the value of these services, but there are logical reasons why countries may want to tax overseas citizens who retain citizenship.
      - stirfrykitty 8y ago