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> Have you tried to send to Gmail addresses via your own SMTP server any time recently? I do it all the time (from a VPS), it requires crossing all the Ts (SPF

> Have you tried to send to Gmail addresses via your own SMTP server any time recently? I do it all the time (from a VPS), it requires crossing all the Ts (SPF, DKM, etc), but never had any issues with Gmail, only with other self-hosted systems. > The days of running the web server in your basement with no say-so from anyone else would come to an end. That was never true, you had to have permission from your ISP, and many forbade it (and some outright blocked those ports).

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
I've never knowingly had an UK ISP that restricted services I provide from my home computer. I've not been particularly careful in choosing either -- is that castrating of users a USA thing? Gmail from a VPS has been a problem for me though, Microsoft mail has been worse (yes I look after the jots and tittles).
- icebraining 8y ago
  Terms are often not clear, but easily used to justify shutting someone down, e.g. "Sky Broadband is for private use by you and members of your household only. It must not be used for any activities not reasonably expected of someone using Sky Broadband for domestic purposes."
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    Things like running a low traffic mail server, web server, VNC, torrents, chat servers, game servers, and such are all domestic activities .. they could claim they're not, I could see Sky being very restrictive, do they actually block/disallow though?
    - icebraining 8y ago
      I don't know about Sky specifically.
- DanBC 8y ago
  Bans on use of servers used to be common and explicit across a range of dial-up ISPs. They're not as explicit now, but all contract and AUPs include terminology like "damage our networks", which cover poorly set-up and poorly run servers.
JohnFen 8y ago
> That was never true, you had to have permission from your ISP, and many forbade it (and some outright blocked those ports). I don't know about that -- I've been running a webserver (as well as a few other servers such as email) using my residential ISP for decades, spanning several different ISPs including major national ones. It's never been a problem.
JohnFen 8y ago
I do it frequently as well. It has yet to be a problem.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

I've never knowingly had an UK ISP that restricted services I provide from my home computer. I've not been particularly careful in choosing either -- is that castrating of users a USA thing? Gmail from a VPS has been a problem for me though, Microsoft mail has been worse (yes I look after the jots and tittles).

icebraining 8y ago
Terms are often not clear, but easily used to justify shutting someone down, e.g. "Sky Broadband is for private use by you and members of your household only. It must not be used for any activities not reasonably expected of someone using Sky Broadband for domestic purposes."
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  Things like running a low traffic mail server, web server, VNC, torrents, chat servers, game servers, and such are all domestic activities .. they could claim they're not, I could see Sky being very restrictive, do they actually block/disallow though?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I don't know about Sky specifically.
DanBC 8y ago
Bans on use of servers used to be common and explicit across a range of dial-up ISPs. They're not as explicit now, but all contract and AUPs include terminology like "damage our networks", which cover poorly set-up and poorly run servers.

JohnFen 8y ago

> That was never true, you had to have permission from your ISP, and many forbade it (and some outright blocked those ports). I don't know about that -- I've been running a webserver (as well as a few other servers such as email) using my residential ISP for decades, spanning several different ISPs including major national ones. It's never been a problem.

JohnFen 8y ago

I do it frequently as well. It has yet to be a problem.