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Boeing 737: Australia joins Singapore in barring Max planes

52 points by gadders 8y ago

sschueller 8y ago
How long until the FAA does something? Is there a conflict on interest here with Boing being a US manufacturer?
- StreamBright 8y ago
  FAA is in a interesting situation, if they act now they admit that they let something slip. If they do not act now they might inflict more damages later. Anyway, I think we still need to wait for the investigation for the Ethiopian crash to see what happened.
igravious 8y ago
--8<-- The civil aviation authority of Singapore (CAAS) said it was "temporarily suspending operation of all variants of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft into and out of Singapore" in light of the two recent accidents. SilkAir, a subsidiary of Singapore Airlines (SIA), will replace the Boeing 737 Max which it operates to Bengaluru and Hyderabad with an earlier version of the B737. It took the decision on Tuesday after Singapore joined the list of countries that have imposed restrictions on the Boeing 737 Max after fears over its safety following two deadly crashes within five months. “SilkAir will be flying the Boeing 737 NG (new generation) to Hyderabad and Bangalore instead of the Boeing 737 Max,” said a SIA spokesperson. Singapore's aviation authority has suspended “all variants of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft into and out of Singapore.” Beijing on Monday ordered domestic airlines to suspend operation of the Boeing 737 MAX 8, citing the two crashes. Noting "similarities" between the two incidents, China's civil aviation administration said operation of the model would only resume after "confirming the relevant measures to effectively ensure flight safety". China is a hugely important market for the US aircraft company, accounting for about one-fifth of worldwide deliveries of Boeing 737 MAX models. Indonesia said it was grounding its 11 jets of the 737 MAX 8 type. Inspections of the aircraft would start Tuesday and the planes would remain grounded until they were cleared by safety regulators, Director General of Air Transport Polana Pramesti told reporters. South Korea's transport ministry said that the two Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes operated by the country's budget airline Eastar Jet would be grounded pending an inspection. The Mongolian civil aviation authority said on Facebook it had ordered the state carrier MIAT Mongolian Airlines to ground the sole Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft in its fleet. Ethiopian Airlines said on Monday it had grounded its Boeing 737 MAX 8 fleet "until further notice". "Although we don't yet know the cause of the accident, we have to decide to ground the particular fleet as an extra safety precaution," said the state-owned carrier, Africa's largest. South African airline Comair said it had "decided to remove its 737 MAX from its flight schedule". Cayman Airways said it would suspend flights for its two 737 MAX 8 planes "until more information is received", CEO Fabian Whorms said. Brazil's Gol Airlines said it was temporarily suspending its commercial operations with the plane. Aeromexico, which has six 737 MAX 8s in its fleet, also announced that it was grounding the aircraft. Pilots from Argentina's Aerolineas Argentinas have refused to fly the jet. --8<-- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/boeing-737-max-countries-which-have-grounded-it-so-far/articleshow/68370169.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-b...
anoncoward111 8y ago
FAA, US Govt, and Boeing will continue to dig their heads deeper into the sand because Boeing is basically an arm of US policy at this point and the US Govt at this time will never admit to or show any weakness 5 months ago when the Lion Air crash happened, an HN commenter ridiculed me for saying Boeing made a crappy design choice to automate what pilots already did manually, without telling the pilots. The HN commenter basically said "we here at Boeing are working hard, how dare you" well, now more people are dying. do we dismiss them as collateral damage from the "third world", or do we own up to the problem created by a poor design choice?
- tallanvor 8y ago
  The claim that Boeing is an arm of US policy is pure bull. Just look at what the US putting sanctions back onto Iran is costing Boeing in lost sales. Nobody is dismissing the deaths, they're simply waiting for more information considering that the plane hadn't had any major issues until now (engine troubles on a Norwegian Air flight that resulted in a landing in Iran are not believed to have anything to do with the plane itself). If other airlines and pilots really felt that the plane was unsafe, they can always ground the plane themselves.
  - jfk13 8y ago
    > hadn't had any major issues until now The Lion Air crash was a pretty major issue, surely! Major enough that Boeing is supposedly working on a patch, which was supposed to have been delivered already (but hasn't been). While we wait for more information on the Ethiopian case, the superficial similarities look worrying enough that "better safe than sorry" sounds like a more justifiable response than merely "let's wait and see".
  - colde 8y ago
    I mean, it's not really completely made up. Just look at what happened with the CSeries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Boeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...
  - anoncoward111 8y ago
AKifer 8y ago
Just like for VW, all this story will end up by top Boeing management saying "It's the fault of [sofware] engineers".

52 points by gadders 8y ago

sschueller 8y ago

How long until the FAA does something? Is there a conflict on interest here with Boing being a US manufacturer?

StreamBright 8y ago
FAA is in a interesting situation, if they act now they admit that they let something slip. If they do not act now they might inflict more damages later. Anyway, I think we still need to wait for the investigation for the Ethiopian crash to see what happened.

igravious 8y ago

--8<-- The civil aviation authority of Singapore (CAAS) said it was "temporarily suspending operation of all variants of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft into and out of Singapore" in light of the two recent accidents. SilkAir, a subsidiary of Singapore Airlines (SIA), will replace the Boeing 737 Max which it operates to Bengaluru and Hyderabad with an earlier version of the B737. It took the decision on Tuesday after Singapore joined the list of countries that have imposed restrictions on the Boeing 737 Max after fears over its safety following two deadly crashes within five months. “SilkAir will be flying the Boeing 737 NG (new generation) to Hyderabad and Bangalore instead of the Boeing 737 Max,” said a SIA spokesperson. Singapore's aviation authority has suspended “all variants of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft into and out of Singapore.” Beijing on Monday ordered domestic airlines to suspend operation of the Boeing 737 MAX 8, citing the two crashes. Noting "similarities" between the two incidents, China's civil aviation administration said operation of the model would only resume after "confirming the relevant measures to effectively ensure flight safety". China is a hugely important market for the US aircraft company, accounting for about one-fifth of worldwide deliveries of Boeing 737 MAX models. Indonesia said it was grounding its 11 jets of the 737 MAX 8 type. Inspections of the aircraft would start Tuesday and the planes would remain grounded until they were cleared by safety regulators, Director General of Air Transport Polana Pramesti told reporters. South Korea's transport ministry said that the two Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes operated by the country's budget airline Eastar Jet would be grounded pending an inspection. The Mongolian civil aviation authority said on Facebook it had ordered the state carrier MIAT Mongolian Airlines to ground the sole Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft in its fleet. Ethiopian Airlines said on Monday it had grounded its Boeing 737 MAX 8 fleet "until further notice". "Although we don't yet know the cause of the accident, we have to decide to ground the particular fleet as an extra safety precaution," said the state-owned carrier, Africa's largest. South African airline Comair said it had "decided to remove its 737 MAX from its flight schedule". Cayman Airways said it would suspend flights for its two 737 MAX 8 planes "until more information is received", CEO Fabian Whorms said. Brazil's Gol Airlines said it was temporarily suspending its commercial operations with the plane. Aeromexico, which has six 737 MAX 8s in its fleet, also announced that it was grounding the aircraft. Pilots from Argentina's Aerolineas Argentinas have refused to fly the jet. --8<-- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/boeing-737-max-countries-which-have-grounded-it-so-far/articleshow/68370169.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-b...

anoncoward111 8y ago

FAA, US Govt, and Boeing will continue to dig their heads deeper into the sand because Boeing is basically an arm of US policy at this point and the US Govt at this time will never admit to or show any weakness 5 months ago when the Lion Air crash happened, an HN commenter ridiculed me for saying Boeing made a crappy design choice to automate what pilots already did manually, without telling the pilots. The HN commenter basically said "we here at Boeing are working hard, how dare you" well, now more people are dying. do we dismiss them as collateral damage from the "third world", or do we own up to the problem created by a poor design choice?

tallanvor 8y ago
The claim that Boeing is an arm of US policy is pure bull. Just look at what the US putting sanctions back onto Iran is costing Boeing in lost sales. Nobody is dismissing the deaths, they're simply waiting for more information considering that the plane hadn't had any major issues until now (engine troubles on a Norwegian Air flight that resulted in a landing in Iran are not believed to have anything to do with the plane itself). If other airlines and pilots really felt that the plane was unsafe, they can always ground the plane themselves.
- jfk13 8y ago
  > hadn't had any major issues until now The Lion Air crash was a pretty major issue, surely! Major enough that Boeing is supposedly working on a patch, which was supposed to have been delivered already (but hasn't been). While we wait for more information on the Ethiopian case, the superficial similarities look worrying enough that "better safe than sorry" sounds like a more justifiable response than merely "let's wait and see".
- colde 8y ago
  I mean, it's not really completely made up. Just look at what happened with the CSeries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Boeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...
- anoncoward111 8y ago

AKifer 8y ago

Just like for VW, all this story will end up by top Boeing management saying "It's the fault of [sofware] engineers".