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> "basically compete with "Desktop Linux" in terms of functionality" On what terms? Err ... I don't know what you mean? > "Not everything works or is polished

> "basically compete with "Desktop Linux" in terms of functionality" On what terms? Err ... I don't know what you mean? > "Not everything works or is polished to the degree we'd like ... but it's nearly there" What does nearly mean? Uh, it means there are still a lot of bugs, and some missing major/minor features in certain areas (e.g. GPU acceleration is a massive TODO / WIP; I have some work on it out-of-tree but it's not in yet.) > The first Alpha was in 2009? So personally I'd expect you to be there by now. Uh, excuse me? By whose standards? We are, as I said, 10-15 (well, then it was a little more) people who do this for fun. We have lives outside of open source development, you know. We aren't paid to do this. > And I'd expect an OS that just works, which would include working USB 3, and a decent web browser. So you expect a product. Great. Who's paying? > So when is a stable release due, (I would like to try it)? What's stopping you from trying it right now...? > Do you want an OS that I can recommend grandma puts on her computer knowing it will work, or is it an OS where I'll have fun diving into config files? Reading the website etc I've understood the longterm aim to be the former. That is correct.

benj111 8y ago
Ok, so the long term aim is an OS I can put on Grandmas computer? Ok, then I don't think it's fair to start being hostile to people when they expect USB 3 support and a web browser. I don't expect a product, that's what you're saying you're offering. You said you're nearly there, I think it's reasonable to ask when that might be. I'm not asking for a cast iron guarantee to the day, but 1 year? 5 years? The thing stopping me from trying it is lack of stable release. " "basically compete with "Desktop Linux" in terms of functionality" On what terms?" I mean do you want to be judged as a hobby OS, or something to stand toe to toe with Linux on every measure. Theres no point me complaining USB 3 doesn't work if your only aim for the project is something to do on an evening. You've indicated that you want it to be something to put on Grandmas computer. Fine, but that sets a much higher bar, and you can't say "fiddle with config file" when something goes wrong. Ps I'm still detecting hostility, I hope its because you vehemently believe I'm wrong and you can succeed (I hope I'm wrong, and you do succeed)
- zapzupnz 8y ago
  Self-entitlement, thy name is benj111 apparently. Nobody needs to measure themselves against your lofty standards for them; they know what they're doing. If you want them to succeed, help them, get involved, don't sit on the sidelines jeering at them for ten to fifteen people not being at the same level as thousands of contributors.
  - benj111 8y ago
    Why am I self entitled? I'm not measuring them against my lofty standards, I'm measuring them against their standards. If they want to put it on github, with an announcement saying they've done a thing for fun, what do you think? I'll judge it on those terms. If they say they're aiming to create an OS that I can put on my Grandma's computer (which they have, read the thread), then its only fair on them to judge it in those terms. I've been complementary and wished them well several times in this thread, because yes there are only 15 of them, but that doesn't change the fact, that they haven't yet built what they said they were going to build. That isn't jeering, and it isn't patting them on the head and telling them that it's the taking part matters, either.

benj111 8y ago

Ok, so the long term aim is an OS I can put on Grandmas computer? Ok, then I don't think it's fair to start being hostile to people when they expect USB 3 support and a web browser. I don't expect a product, that's what you're saying you're offering. You said you're nearly there, I think it's reasonable to ask when that might be. I'm not asking for a cast iron guarantee to the day, but 1 year? 5 years? The thing stopping me from trying it is lack of stable release. " "basically compete with "Desktop Linux" in terms of functionality" On what terms?" I mean do you want to be judged as a hobby OS, or something to stand toe to toe with Linux on every measure. Theres no point me complaining USB 3 doesn't work if your only aim for the project is something to do on an evening. You've indicated that you want it to be something to put on Grandmas computer. Fine, but that sets a much higher bar, and you can't say "fiddle with config file" when something goes wrong. Ps I'm still detecting hostility, I hope its because you vehemently believe I'm wrong and you can succeed (I hope I'm wrong, and you do succeed)

zapzupnz 8y ago
Self-entitlement, thy name is benj111 apparently. Nobody needs to measure themselves against your lofty standards for them; they know what they're doing. If you want them to succeed, help them, get involved, don't sit on the sidelines jeering at them for ten to fifteen people not being at the same level as thousands of contributors.
- benj111 8y ago
  Why am I self entitled? I'm not measuring them against my lofty standards, I'm measuring them against their standards. If they want to put it on github, with an announcement saying they've done a thing for fun, what do you think? I'll judge it on those terms. If they say they're aiming to create an OS that I can put on my Grandma's computer (which they have, read the thread), then its only fair on them to judge it in those terms. I've been complementary and wished them well several times in this thread, because yes there are only 15 of them, but that doesn't change the fact, that they haven't yet built what they said they were going to build. That isn't jeering, and it isn't patting them on the head and telling them that it's the taking part matters, either.