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Or possibly your foreign laws have made it impossible for us to determine if we are in compliance & it’s not worth it to figure out for a hyper local publicatio

Or possibly your foreign laws have made it impossible for us to determine if we are in compliance & it’s not worth it to figure out for a hyper local publication whose income comes from local ads.

mindslight 8y ago
That's an utterly disingenuous argument. The EU made an attempt at formally codifying a very basic boundary that most everybody intuitively understands - everybody except for the creepy advertising-surveillance industry which remains willfully ignorant. The answer is simple: don't surveil your users! Kind of sad to see 451 being used simply to throw a hissy fit, continuing to pretend that the surveillance is intrinsic - rather than deliberately set up to abuse visitors. But alas I guess this balkanization is just the next step on the path where users move away from http altogether.
- Permit 8y ago
  > That's an utterly disingenuous argument. > The EU made an attempt at formally codifying a very basic boundary that most everybody intuitively understands - everybody except for the advertising-surveillance industry which remains willfully ignorant What is disingenuous is that you have tried reduced this argument down to "Everyone agrees with GDPR except for advertisers". Please recognize that plenty of HN users do not agree with GDPR.
  - mindslight 8y ago
    Yes, plenty of HN users work for the surveillance industry. You reduced the argument to being about support of the GDPR itself. I'm not in love with the specifics of the GDPR, just like I'm not in love with the concept of "sex offenders" needing to remain a certain distance away from schools. But they both exist in service of very straightforward boundaries.
- tfehring 8y ago
  It’s totally possible that the site complies with all GDPR requirements but that it still makes business sense for it to block EU users. Verifying that they’re compliant would probably rack up sizeable legal fees, which could be far higher than the revenue they could expect to receive from readers in the EU.
  - analog31 8y ago
    Indeed, I subscribe to that newspaper, and they are not exactly swimming in money. If it's anything like electronic products, getting certified for export to the EU is an expensive proposition, and certainly not a DIY project.
    - DanBC 8y ago
      They don't offer their product in any of the EU languages (other than English, which is their first language), and they don't offer product in Euro. That means they're not targetting EU citizens, and can ignore GDPR.
      - DuskStar 8y ago
        And have fun getting legal to sign off on that.

Or possibly your foreign laws have made it impossible for us to determine if we are in compliance & it’s not worth it to figure out for a hyper local publication whose income comes from local ads.

mindslight 8y ago

That's an utterly disingenuous argument. The EU made an attempt at formally codifying a very basic boundary that most everybody intuitively understands - everybody except for the creepy advertising-surveillance industry which remains willfully ignorant. The answer is simple: don't surveil your users! Kind of sad to see 451 being used simply to throw a hissy fit, continuing to pretend that the surveillance is intrinsic - rather than deliberately set up to abuse visitors. But alas I guess this balkanization is just the next step on the path where users move away from http altogether.

Permit 8y ago
> That's an utterly disingenuous argument. > The EU made an attempt at formally codifying a very basic boundary that most everybody intuitively understands - everybody except for the advertising-surveillance industry which remains willfully ignorant What is disingenuous is that you have tried reduced this argument down to "Everyone agrees with GDPR except for advertisers". Please recognize that plenty of HN users do not agree with GDPR.
- mindslight 8y ago
  Yes, plenty of HN users work for the surveillance industry. You reduced the argument to being about support of the GDPR itself. I'm not in love with the specifics of the GDPR, just like I'm not in love with the concept of "sex offenders" needing to remain a certain distance away from schools. But they both exist in service of very straightforward boundaries.
tfehring 8y ago
It’s totally possible that the site complies with all GDPR requirements but that it still makes business sense for it to block EU users. Verifying that they’re compliant would probably rack up sizeable legal fees, which could be far higher than the revenue they could expect to receive from readers in the EU.
- analog31 8y ago
  Indeed, I subscribe to that newspaper, and they are not exactly swimming in money. If it's anything like electronic products, getting certified for export to the EU is an expensive proposition, and certainly not a DIY project.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    They don't offer their product in any of the EU languages (other than English, which is their first language), and they don't offer product in Euro. That means they're not targetting EU citizens, and can ignore GDPR.
    - DuskStar 8y ago
      And have fun getting legal to sign off on that.