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And of course it's limited to english, so far from "the internet". And indeed, Trump has been elected for getting the majority of votes, yet it represents it a

And of course it's limited to english, so far from "the internet". And indeed, Trump has been elected for getting the majority of votes, yet it represents it as a sad day, while I'm pretty sure most voters were happy.

jaredsohn 8y ago
Hillary won the popular vote. Also non-voters (including younger people who are ineligible or just didn't vote) and people outside of the US have opinions on such things.
- billfruit 8y ago
  I feel that Clinton winning the popular vote is also a statement that does not give a clear picture, iirc, her popular vote majority was entirely due to her humongous majority in the single state of California, if you exclude the outlier of that single state and consider the figure from the remaining 51 states, then Clinton no longer has a majority on the votes.
  - Retra 8y ago
    California is over 1/10th the US population. Why would you just ignore it?
    - ben509 8y ago
      Their electors got to vote. Same as how they have two Senators like every other state. And let's toss this question back at you: why does California routinely ignore all of California outside LA and San Francisco? Similarly, why did all the polls and candidates (including Republicans!) other than Trump entirely ignore the rust belt? That's why his win came out of nowhere, after all. Obviously those areas are less populated, but why should a minority not have representation? Larger picture, how do you manage a union of states when not even states but a handful of cities hold all the political influence? If we switch to a popular vote, a handful of coastal cities will have a lock on the federal government. In the long run, it's called the United States because states are sovereign political entities, and that union works because small states have political influence. Instead of eliminating the electoral college, Democrats would do far better if they got back to their roots as the party of the working class.
      - dontreact 8y ago
        This thread just seems like changing the goalposts. It started with someone saying that Trump won the majority of the votes. Which is just not true. That is all
      - Retra 8y ago
        You're making a lot of presumptive, imprecise, and careless claims. I disagree with your conclusions, and I question the validity of your assumptions. If you want to have this discussion, I'd urge you to engage in a more digestible and exacting approach, rather than trying to ramble your way through the topic.
      - skinnymuch 8y ago
        A handful of cities don’t hold [all] the political influence. For things like what was being discussed, the presidency, cities don’t hold any more power than the rest of the country. People’s votes in NYC for example are pretty useless when voting for President. A lot of your other things are pretty random and presumptive. You didn’t even agree that California should obviously count when considering who gets more votes nation-wide.
  - Taylor_OD 8y ago
    It also doesnt include the, relevant, fact that half of the USA did not vote. People seem to hear this as more Americans voted for Hillary than didnt. This isnt true. More Americans voted for Hillary than Trump. More Americans voted for no one than either candidate.
    - extra88 8y ago
      That's only true if you include Americans ineligible to vote (i.e. children). 61.4% of adult U.S. citizens cast ballots in 2016. More Americans would could vote for either candidate did so than not. I doubt there's ever been a candidate that has won votes that total more than 50% of the voting age population so there's no reason to single out the results of the 2016 election. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-...
    - skinnymuch 8y ago
      A majority of adults have voted in every single American election if I’m not mistaken. This is including fringe people who might not have easy accessibility to voting too.
pbhjpbhj 8y ago
Um, I'm in the UK, but I thought Trump didn't get a majority, and in fact got less votes than Clinton; it was the electoral college system that put him in. Wikipedia confirms that, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_president..., 46% Republican, 48% Democrat. So?
- dashundchen 8y ago
  Reality distortion on the right. Trump has falsely claimed (lied) that he won the popular vote, so his supporters parrot it, when it's clearly not true.

jaredsohn 8y ago

Hillary won the popular vote. Also non-voters (including younger people who are ineligible or just didn't vote) and people outside of the US have opinions on such things.

billfruit 8y ago
I feel that Clinton winning the popular vote is also a statement that does not give a clear picture, iirc, her popular vote majority was entirely due to her humongous majority in the single state of California, if you exclude the outlier of that single state and consider the figure from the remaining 51 states, then Clinton no longer has a majority on the votes.
- Retra 8y ago
  California is over 1/10th the US population. Why would you just ignore it?
  - ben509 8y ago
    Their electors got to vote. Same as how they have two Senators like every other state. And let's toss this question back at you: why does California routinely ignore all of California outside LA and San Francisco? Similarly, why did all the polls and candidates (including Republicans!) other than Trump entirely ignore the rust belt? That's why his win came out of nowhere, after all. Obviously those areas are less populated, but why should a minority not have representation? Larger picture, how do you manage a union of states when not even states but a handful of cities hold all the political influence? If we switch to a popular vote, a handful of coastal cities will have a lock on the federal government. In the long run, it's called the United States because states are sovereign political entities, and that union works because small states have political influence. Instead of eliminating the electoral college, Democrats would do far better if they got back to their roots as the party of the working class.
    - dontreact 8y ago
      This thread just seems like changing the goalposts. It started with someone saying that Trump won the majority of the votes. Which is just not true. That is all
    - Retra 8y ago
      You're making a lot of presumptive, imprecise, and careless claims. I disagree with your conclusions, and I question the validity of your assumptions. If you want to have this discussion, I'd urge you to engage in a more digestible and exacting approach, rather than trying to ramble your way through the topic.
    - skinnymuch 8y ago
      A handful of cities don’t hold [all] the political influence. For things like what was being discussed, the presidency, cities don’t hold any more power than the rest of the country. People’s votes in NYC for example are pretty useless when voting for President. A lot of your other things are pretty random and presumptive. You didn’t even agree that California should obviously count when considering who gets more votes nation-wide.
- Taylor_OD 8y ago
  It also doesnt include the, relevant, fact that half of the USA did not vote. People seem to hear this as more Americans voted for Hillary than didnt. This isnt true. More Americans voted for Hillary than Trump. More Americans voted for no one than either candidate.
  - extra88 8y ago
    That's only true if you include Americans ineligible to vote (i.e. children). 61.4% of adult U.S. citizens cast ballots in 2016. More Americans would could vote for either candidate did so than not. I doubt there's ever been a candidate that has won votes that total more than 50% of the voting age population so there's no reason to single out the results of the 2016 election. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-...
  - skinnymuch 8y ago
    A majority of adults have voted in every single American election if I’m not mistaken. This is including fringe people who might not have easy accessibility to voting too.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

Um, I'm in the UK, but I thought Trump didn't get a majority, and in fact got less votes than Clinton; it was the electoral college system that put him in. Wikipedia confirms that, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_president..., 46% Republican, 48% Democrat. So?

dashundchen 8y ago
Reality distortion on the right. Trump has falsely claimed (lied) that he won the popular vote, so his supporters parrot it, when it's clearly not true.