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Tesla must be running low on guanxi. Best to take care of that. I'm sure Tesla realizes it, but a foreign company just can't protect itself using the legal sys

Tesla must be running low on guanxi. Best to take care of that. I'm sure Tesla realizes it, but a foreign company just can't protect itself using the legal system the same way they can in Western society. This seems to be a continuing source of surprise for US companies...

onetimemanytime 8y ago
Not sure they can do much, trade war is raging and all. They're a tiny soldier and generals decide what happens. (Especially since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act )
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diminish 8y ago
a "foreign" company in a western society isn't much protected neither. this is an illusion of the native local companies on what jurisdiction to trust and the dominant media structure.
- sgt 8y ago
  And what do you base that on? The rule of law in western society is usually well respected by both individuals, government and companies. There are many cases where large corporations have been defeated by smaller groups. I am not saying the opposite isn't occasionally true though.
  - diminish 8y ago
    "The rule of law in western society is usually well respected by both individuals, government and companies." This is an illusion, and a propaganda to self which already has proven wrong last 20 years. Yet this propaganda surprisingly prevails. That makes me think the education in western societies, is in some sense totalitarian within a certain bounds. With endless cases we know that politics holds the key to rule of law in most western countries. Rule of law in edge cases is not even valid for the citizens of that particular country, and it's not at all valid for foreign individuals and corporations.
    - chii 8y ago
      > rule of law in western society is well respected. This is an illusion... Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. Most disputes in western society is handled very adequately by law. Some cases where monied interests somehow slips thru, or cases of bribery. But a majority of the time, it's treated as a vile crime. Unlike in countries where in order to do business, you have to establish "quanxi" (social connections), or outright pay protection money (ala places like Venezuela). The fact that a big deal is made by the media when a bribery scandal happens in western society attests to this fact.
      - diminish 8y ago
        "Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence." And where is your evidence to your controversial and extraordinary statements?
        etaioinshrdlu 8y ago
        You use the rhetorical tools of a Russian troll. Not joking.
        diminish 8y ago
        I don't at all think Russians have rule of law neither Chinese. But that self propaganda still prevailing in some Western circles is annoying.
        sgt 8y ago
        VW emissions scandal comes to mind. Not even one of the largest and most influential companies in all of Europe can get away with such illegalities.
  - vetinari 8y ago
    > The rule of law in western society is usually well respected by both individuals, government and companies. Sure, but the law is flexible enough to be interpreted in one way for friends, and in another way for foreigners. When needed, you can amend the law, for the foreigners to be disadvantaged. I have on my mind a recent change in EU, that amended the rules for truck drivers, in order to disadvantage the ones from Eastern members states.
slowmovintarget 8y ago
Western companies only see the dollar (umm... yuan) signs. "Gee, we weren't expecting them to steal^h^h^h compel by local law the transfer of our tech when we agreed to open a jointly-owned factory."

onetimemanytime 8y ago

Not sure they can do much, trade war is raging and all. They're a tiny soldier and generals decide what happens. (Especially since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act )

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diminish 8y ago

a "foreign" company in a western society isn't much protected neither. this is an illusion of the native local companies on what jurisdiction to trust and the dominant media structure.

sgt 8y ago
And what do you base that on? The rule of law in western society is usually well respected by both individuals, government and companies. There are many cases where large corporations have been defeated by smaller groups. I am not saying the opposite isn't occasionally true though.
- diminish 8y ago
  "The rule of law in western society is usually well respected by both individuals, government and companies." This is an illusion, and a propaganda to self which already has proven wrong last 20 years. Yet this propaganda surprisingly prevails. That makes me think the education in western societies, is in some sense totalitarian within a certain bounds. With endless cases we know that politics holds the key to rule of law in most western countries. Rule of law in edge cases is not even valid for the citizens of that particular country, and it's not at all valid for foreign individuals and corporations.
  - chii 8y ago
    > rule of law in western society is well respected. This is an illusion... Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. Most disputes in western society is handled very adequately by law. Some cases where monied interests somehow slips thru, or cases of bribery. But a majority of the time, it's treated as a vile crime. Unlike in countries where in order to do business, you have to establish "quanxi" (social connections), or outright pay protection money (ala places like Venezuela). The fact that a big deal is made by the media when a bribery scandal happens in western society attests to this fact.
    - diminish 8y ago
      "Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence." And where is your evidence to your controversial and extraordinary statements?
      - etaioinshrdlu 8y ago
        You use the rhetorical tools of a Russian troll. Not joking.
        diminish 8y ago
        I don't at all think Russians have rule of law neither Chinese. But that self propaganda still prevailing in some Western circles is annoying.
      - sgt 8y ago
        VW emissions scandal comes to mind. Not even one of the largest and most influential companies in all of Europe can get away with such illegalities.
- vetinari 8y ago
  > The rule of law in western society is usually well respected by both individuals, government and companies. Sure, but the law is flexible enough to be interpreted in one way for friends, and in another way for foreigners. When needed, you can amend the law, for the foreigners to be disadvantaged. I have on my mind a recent change in EU, that amended the rules for truck drivers, in order to disadvantage the ones from Eastern members states.

slowmovintarget 8y ago

Western companies only see the dollar (umm... yuan) signs. "Gee, we weren't expecting them to steal^h^h^h compel by local law the transfer of our tech when we agreed to open a jointly-owned factory."