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I also agree that other countries are improving their economic situation and increasing consumption there adds up to global warming, not migration. what regard

I also agree that other countries are improving their economic situation and increasing consumption there adds up to global warming, not migration. what regards "no solution" this is so shortsighted that it's even difficult to decide where to start in disagreeing :) it's easy to say "screw it, let's see what happens" but take this angle: let's say EU will make everything to reduce climate change effects, but other regions not. In event of radical climate change people will start migrating to more safe regions, including EU, so EU will pay partially price for those regions who did not do any effort to reduce climate change. I don't want to pay price for sea level rising just because USA wanted to gain some short-term gains. also trading your life safety for economic gains sounds ridiculous.

anovikov 8y ago
But this is what will happen by itself because fighting global warming means little but opening economic opportunities for others - and exploitation of them means MORE global warming. Basically, if Germany introduces a carbon tax and as a result, its industry will become less competitive, its output will fall, it will be displaced by Chinese output (because demand is still there), which is produced with a lot more CO2 output than energy-efficient Germany would produce. So, best way of fighting global warming is just adapting to it. Other method will be world policing, i.e. enforcing worldwide policy for CO2 reduction, so no displacement as i described, happens (subs threat to merchant ships sounds like best way to do it). But it's a bad idea to suggest in this liberal forum :) People migrating to EU because of global warming? Don't give them visas. They arrive on boats? Machinegun the boats, that simple.
- pjc50 8y ago
  > enforcing worldwide policy for CO2 reduction This is what things like Kyoto were intended to be. > Machinegun the boats This is the kind of thing we executed Nazis for at Nuremberg. It's called a crime against humanity for good reason.
  - growlist 8y ago
    To not tackle population increases is to acquiesce in the suffering of greater numbers of humans as global warming really kicks in. Population control is the kind thing to do.
    - anovikov 8y ago
      Population increase is already tackling itself except for the Sub-Saharan Africa where people produce almost no CO2 anyway coz they are dirt poor. It is safe to say that increased consumption decreases reproduction rate by itself simply because people have other things to do.
  - anovikov 8y ago
    Well this is called illegal border crossing. It is a crime and always been a crime. It is meant to be met with lethal force. Border guards, being it land or water, exist exactly for that. Nazis were executed for killing survivors from sunk ships, people in distress, completely unrelated.

anovikov 8y ago

But this is what will happen by itself because fighting global warming means little but opening economic opportunities for others - and exploitation of them means MORE global warming. Basically, if Germany introduces a carbon tax and as a result, its industry will become less competitive, its output will fall, it will be displaced by Chinese output (because demand is still there), which is produced with a lot more CO2 output than energy-efficient Germany would produce. So, best way of fighting global warming is just adapting to it. Other method will be world policing, i.e. enforcing worldwide policy for CO2 reduction, so no displacement as i described, happens (subs threat to merchant ships sounds like best way to do it). But it's a bad idea to suggest in this liberal forum :) People migrating to EU because of global warming? Don't give them visas. They arrive on boats? Machinegun the boats, that simple.

pjc50 8y ago
> enforcing worldwide policy for CO2 reduction This is what things like Kyoto were intended to be. > Machinegun the boats This is the kind of thing we executed Nazis for at Nuremberg. It's called a crime against humanity for good reason.
- growlist 8y ago
  To not tackle population increases is to acquiesce in the suffering of greater numbers of humans as global warming really kicks in. Population control is the kind thing to do.
  - anovikov 8y ago
    Population increase is already tackling itself except for the Sub-Saharan Africa where people produce almost no CO2 anyway coz they are dirt poor. It is safe to say that increased consumption decreases reproduction rate by itself simply because people have other things to do.
- anovikov 8y ago
  Well this is called illegal border crossing. It is a crime and always been a crime. It is meant to be met with lethal force. Border guards, being it land or water, exist exactly for that. Nazis were executed for killing survivors from sunk ships, people in distress, completely unrelated.