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So this is the big news?

by jakemor 8y ago

aerovistae 8y ago
Sorry, your phrasing seems to imply it isn’t, or am I misunderstanding you?
- iooi 8y ago
  They are referring to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19275305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19275305
- bdcravens 8y ago
  The point being that there was anticipation of something bigger, not finally following through on what was promised previously.
  - camjohnson26 8y ago
    Nice distraction from the SEC’s request for a contempt of court ruling though.
_ph_ 8y ago
Yes, it is. For Tesla it means, that they made up to their promise given when introducing the Model 3. Tesla has gotten a lot of critique after the Model 3 deliveries where much later than initially expected and the available versions much more expensive then the promised base price. Offering now a Model 3 for that base price should win them a lot of credibility back. For the consumer it means, that the cheapest Tesla is now available for 35k vs. 42k vor the mid-range until today. Thats 7k less and make Tesla cars available to a larger audience. While I don't like how Tesla represents the prices with savings, the effective price gets close or below 30k, which is huge. For electric cars overall it is also important. Tesla is the largest manufacturer of electric cars and the waiting times for the Model 3 are way lower than the competition. So this marks quite some progress in the availability of affordable electric cars.
- jmpman 8y ago
  It’s not the promise I’d signed up for. When I dropped my $2k reservation, it was for a $35,000 car, including a $7500 government rebate, or net $27500 (plus tax lic etc). Instead of delivering my car in the order the reservation was placed, (in that scenario, I’d get the full $7500 rebate), my reservation was reprioritized for Tesla’s bottom line. Would I have done the same thing in Elon’s shoes, sure, but just because they’ve delivered a $35,000 version, doesn’t mean I’m happy.
  - natch 8y ago
    That’s fair, but then it’s not necessarily all about what you want. Part of it is helping invest in accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy. Personally I’m ok with that. ymmv. How was your reservation $2k though? It makes me wonder if you are really a reservation holder, given that you got the amount wrong. Fake outrage?
    - jmpman 8y ago
      I put down two reservations, at $1k each. So, my outrage is quite real. I intended to buy two $35k versions, after rebate at $27,500, that’s a better deal than any Honda Accord. And, I didn’t request my refund back because I believed in the vision. However, now I’m even more pissed, so I’ve made the refund request.
  - skellington 8y ago
    Some people are just never happy.....
- 11thEarlOfMar 8y ago
  Moreover, the 3 now costs less to own than Accords or Camry's, about the same as a Corolla. 1,000,000 of those 3 (combined) were sold in 2018. That's huge.
  - xienze 8y ago
    > Moreover, the 3 now costs less to own than Accords or Camry's Over what time period? The $35k Tesla is the base model, and a base Accord looks to be $23k. And you can probably negotiate that down a little, which I doubt you can do with Tesla. That price difference buys you a _lot_ of gas.

So this is the big news?

aerovistae 8y ago

Sorry, your phrasing seems to imply it isn’t, or am I misunderstanding you?

iooi 8y ago
They are referring to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19275305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19275305
bdcravens 8y ago
The point being that there was anticipation of something bigger, not finally following through on what was promised previously.
- camjohnson26 8y ago
  Nice distraction from the SEC’s request for a contempt of court ruling though.

_ph_ 8y ago

Yes, it is. For Tesla it means, that they made up to their promise given when introducing the Model 3. Tesla has gotten a lot of critique after the Model 3 deliveries where much later than initially expected and the available versions much more expensive then the promised base price. Offering now a Model 3 for that base price should win them a lot of credibility back. For the consumer it means, that the cheapest Tesla is now available for 35k vs. 42k vor the mid-range until today. Thats 7k less and make Tesla cars available to a larger audience. While I don't like how Tesla represents the prices with savings, the effective price gets close or below 30k, which is huge. For electric cars overall it is also important. Tesla is the largest manufacturer of electric cars and the waiting times for the Model 3 are way lower than the competition. So this marks quite some progress in the availability of affordable electric cars.

jmpman 8y ago
It’s not the promise I’d signed up for. When I dropped my $2k reservation, it was for a $35,000 car, including a $7500 government rebate, or net $27500 (plus tax lic etc). Instead of delivering my car in the order the reservation was placed, (in that scenario, I’d get the full $7500 rebate), my reservation was reprioritized for Tesla’s bottom line. Would I have done the same thing in Elon’s shoes, sure, but just because they’ve delivered a $35,000 version, doesn’t mean I’m happy.
- natch 8y ago
  That’s fair, but then it’s not necessarily all about what you want. Part of it is helping invest in accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy. Personally I’m ok with that. ymmv. How was your reservation $2k though? It makes me wonder if you are really a reservation holder, given that you got the amount wrong. Fake outrage?
  - jmpman 8y ago
    I put down two reservations, at $1k each. So, my outrage is quite real. I intended to buy two $35k versions, after rebate at $27,500, that’s a better deal than any Honda Accord. And, I didn’t request my refund back because I believed in the vision. However, now I’m even more pissed, so I’ve made the refund request.
- skellington 8y ago
  Some people are just never happy.....
11thEarlOfMar 8y ago
Moreover, the 3 now costs less to own than Accords or Camry's, about the same as a Corolla. 1,000,000 of those 3 (combined) were sold in 2018. That's huge.
- xienze 8y ago
  > Moreover, the 3 now costs less to own than Accords or Camry's Over what time period? The $35k Tesla is the base model, and a base Accord looks to be $23k. And you can probably negotiate that down a little, which I doubt you can do with Tesla. That price difference buys you a _lot_ of gas.