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The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

by imgabe 8y ago

jhbadger 8y ago
That's really a good point. The whole reason city living became popular again is that the supposed "utopia" of suburbia was really boring.
- dgellow 8y ago
  At what point was city life not popular?
  - hnhg 8y ago
    In the UK, anytime before the late 90s. I can't find the statistic, but I remember reading that in the 80s, less than 1000 people lived in the city centre. Contrast that with the numbers now: https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/the-return-of-city-centre-living-in-manchester/ https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/the-return-of-city-cent...
  - jhbadger 8y ago
    In the US (and a lesser degree in other countries), the advent of the car in the 20th century (and especially after WWII) meant that the "good life" became defined as moving out of the cities (where housing was generally in apartment blocks or row houses) to the new suburbs where detached houses with their own yards were the norm. Cities were viewed as places where one might work, but if you were middle class or above, you returned to your suburban home at night. But over the last couple of decades people (particularly people born in the 1970s or later) began to see the advantage of living somewhere where you didn't need to drive everywhere and shopping, restaurants, and bars were just a short walk away.
  - CPLX 8y ago
    1977 comes to mind: https://youtu.be/bnVH-BE9CUo https://youtu.be/bnVH-BE9CUo
nradov 8y ago
Anyone? Keeping a vibrant nightlife is great but there are many city residents who don't care about that and wouldn't even notice if it disappeared.
billforsternz 8y ago
I suppose this is true. But as a grumpy old bugger I much prefer a city without nightclubs. They're so bloody noisy they infect everything around them. And the appeal of damaging your hearing in an environment where it's literally impossible to communicate is a complete mystery to me. When I think about it I felt pretty much the same way even when I was young.
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dgellow 8y ago
Nightclubs also mean drunk people, which correlates with broken glass being spread around and aggressive behaviors. I’m quite happy to live in a neighborhood in Berlin that doesn’t have the active nightlife the city is famous for!
- Nilef 8y ago
  Mind if I ask which area? Planning a move soon!
  - dgellow 8y ago
    Alt-Treptow, more precisely on the west of Treptower Park. People in the neighborhood are mostly families.
- Truskova 8y ago
  The Irish are pretty nice when they are drunk. Not all ofc, but with the amount of alcohol been drunk here in Dublin, the amount of drunk fights and things like that is quite low. At least in city centre. Lived in the Docks for 3 years and every weekend was out in town.
- cf141q5325 8y ago
  My retired uncle lives in Kreuzberg with his family since he was a teen. They quite like it and just never moved out. It has a lot to do with what you can expect from your neighborhood. A nightclub opening up right next door in a silent neighborhood is a recipe for a disaster, but it is similar with people moving into regions with a famous nightlife expecting a normal place to live. I for example dont have much sympathy for people moving in next to Frankfurt central station and then start to complain about the drunks, punks, junkies and hookers. Its like moving in next to train tracks and complaining about the sound of the trains.
grive 8y ago
False dichotomy. You can close all the city's nightclubs and you wouldn't have a city with only housing. Only a very small subset of people living in the city will use nightclubs. It is reasonable that they are not given priority over things essential to living (housing, accomodations, transport, public services, etc..).
- Arbalest 8y ago
  Agreed. Lets get some stats of the distribution of jobs and average commute times and see how that comes out then vs now. Edit: Also worth noting is the daylife, shall we say. That is, cafes and the like are a lot more popular than they used to be.
- imgabe 8y ago
  Nightclubs are one thing. I said "a" reason, not "the" reason. People don't go to the expense and trouble of living in cities because they have the bare essentials of keeping yourself alive. That is available in any town. People move to the city because of things to do which includes nightclubs, restaurants, museums, theater, sports venues, cultural events, etc. If all you want is a bunch of houses and roads connecting them and basic public services, you can get that for a fraction of the price in the suburbs.
  - Truskova 8y ago
    that's a good point. But also people move because of jobs, higher salaries and adequate living conditions (including housing cost). The last one can't be said about Dublin. Lots of friends of mine moved back to their countries even though wages were lower, but considering prices for food, entertainment and rent at the end of the month they have more money in the pocket.
  - grive 8y ago
    Okay > People move to the city because of things to do which includes nightclubs, restaurants, museums, theater, sports venues, cultural events, etc. Now remove nightclubs from this list, and you still get a list of attractive reasons to settle in a city. You don't have to infringe on the night of others to still have an enjoyable city. To repeat myself: you could close all the nightclubs in a city and you would still have plenty to live for there.

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

by imgabe 8y ago

The existence of things like nightclubs is a reason there is demand for the housing. A city with only housing is not one that anyone would want to live in.

jhbadger 8y ago

That's really a good point. The whole reason city living became popular again is that the supposed "utopia" of suburbia was really boring.

dgellow 8y ago
At what point was city life not popular?
- hnhg 8y ago
  In the UK, anytime before the late 90s. I can't find the statistic, but I remember reading that in the 80s, less than 1000 people lived in the city centre. Contrast that with the numbers now: https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/the-return-of-city-centre-living-in-manchester/ https://www.centreforcities.org/blog/the-return-of-city-cent...
- jhbadger 8y ago
  In the US (and a lesser degree in other countries), the advent of the car in the 20th century (and especially after WWII) meant that the "good life" became defined as moving out of the cities (where housing was generally in apartment blocks or row houses) to the new suburbs where detached houses with their own yards were the norm. Cities were viewed as places where one might work, but if you were middle class or above, you returned to your suburban home at night. But over the last couple of decades people (particularly people born in the 1970s or later) began to see the advantage of living somewhere where you didn't need to drive everywhere and shopping, restaurants, and bars were just a short walk away.
- CPLX 8y ago
  1977 comes to mind: https://youtu.be/bnVH-BE9CUo https://youtu.be/bnVH-BE9CUo

nradov 8y ago

Anyone? Keeping a vibrant nightlife is great but there are many city residents who don't care about that and wouldn't even notice if it disappeared.

billforsternz 8y ago

I suppose this is true. But as a grumpy old bugger I much prefer a city without nightclubs. They're so bloody noisy they infect everything around them. And the appeal of damaging your hearing in an environment where it's literally impossible to communicate is a complete mystery to me. When I think about it I felt pretty much the same way even when I was young.

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dgellow 8y ago

Nightclubs also mean drunk people, which correlates with broken glass being spread around and aggressive behaviors. I’m quite happy to live in a neighborhood in Berlin that doesn’t have the active nightlife the city is famous for!

Nilef 8y ago
Mind if I ask which area? Planning a move soon!
- dgellow 8y ago
  Alt-Treptow, more precisely on the west of Treptower Park. People in the neighborhood are mostly families.
Truskova 8y ago
The Irish are pretty nice when they are drunk. Not all ofc, but with the amount of alcohol been drunk here in Dublin, the amount of drunk fights and things like that is quite low. At least in city centre. Lived in the Docks for 3 years and every weekend was out in town.
cf141q5325 8y ago
My retired uncle lives in Kreuzberg with his family since he was a teen. They quite like it and just never moved out. It has a lot to do with what you can expect from your neighborhood. A nightclub opening up right next door in a silent neighborhood is a recipe for a disaster, but it is similar with people moving into regions with a famous nightlife expecting a normal place to live. I for example dont have much sympathy for people moving in next to Frankfurt central station and then start to complain about the drunks, punks, junkies and hookers. Its like moving in next to train tracks and complaining about the sound of the trains.

grive 8y ago

False dichotomy. You can close all the city's nightclubs and you wouldn't have a city with only housing. Only a very small subset of people living in the city will use nightclubs. It is reasonable that they are not given priority over things essential to living (housing, accomodations, transport, public services, etc..).

Arbalest 8y ago
Agreed. Lets get some stats of the distribution of jobs and average commute times and see how that comes out then vs now. Edit: Also worth noting is the daylife, shall we say. That is, cafes and the like are a lot more popular than they used to be.
imgabe 8y ago
Nightclubs are one thing. I said "a" reason, not "the" reason. People don't go to the expense and trouble of living in cities because they have the bare essentials of keeping yourself alive. That is available in any town. People move to the city because of things to do which includes nightclubs, restaurants, museums, theater, sports venues, cultural events, etc. If all you want is a bunch of houses and roads connecting them and basic public services, you can get that for a fraction of the price in the suburbs.
- Truskova 8y ago
  that's a good point. But also people move because of jobs, higher salaries and adequate living conditions (including housing cost). The last one can't be said about Dublin. Lots of friends of mine moved back to their countries even though wages were lower, but considering prices for food, entertainment and rent at the end of the month they have more money in the pocket.
- grive 8y ago
  Okay > People move to the city because of things to do which includes nightclubs, restaurants, museums, theater, sports venues, cultural events, etc. Now remove nightclubs from this list, and you still get a list of attractive reasons to settle in a city. You don't have to infringe on the night of others to still have an enjoyable city. To repeat myself: you could close all the nightclubs in a city and you would still have plenty to live for there.