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CERN 2019 WorldWideWeb Rebuild
- pavlov 8y agoIt's interesting to use the original NeXT interface after all these years. Honestly I feel I could be very happy with a modern desktop that stuck to the NeXT principles, just updated text rendering to modern standards. 2-bit greyscale is good enough for UI widgets, especially now that we have high-DPI displays and don't necessarily need edge antialiasing anymore for vector graphics. Text labels on menus and buttons is such an improvement over the undecipherable "flat school" icons that are currently used everywhere.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoYeah I would love to see a modern Fluxbox. My only issue with Fluxbox on Ubuntu and similar is other DE's seem to have better visual support for wireless. I have no way of connecting to the internet if I can't even see the Wi-Fi icon anywhere. I don't want to have to install components from another DE. Also they seem to mostly be abandoned. I have the same issue with tiling WM's. I don't want to have to configure my DE / VM it should just work, what I should configure is preferential settings not functional settings.
- VMG 8y agoYou probably also want a battery and volume indicator
- dkersten 8y ago> I have the same issue with tiling WM's. My Manjaro-i3 environment worked out of the box and had all of the things you'd expect (wifi icon, volume icon, battery indicator etc). The only reason I had to configure anything at all is because of personal taste. I find the Manjaro WM packages pretty good, personally.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoI tried Manjaro before, didn't have the nicest experience getting it setup on one of my laptops. I try to stick to Ubuntu derived Linux distros cause they usually support my hardware cleanly enough. I wouldn't mind trying it out again though, but i3 is a lot different from Fluxbox.
- dkersten 8y agoI mentioned i3 only because you mentioned tiling window managers requiring too much configuration to setup. Manjaro also has a AwesomeWM distribution as an alternative tiling WM. But aside from tiling window managers, Manjaro also has pre-packaged distributions with Openbox, XFCE, Budgie, Mate and Deepin and a few other less lightweight environments like KDE and Gnome. There's also the "architect edition" which does require a bunch of configuration.
- afj3lmb8zs 8y ago>connecting to the internet if I can't even see the Wi-Fi icon I usually just run nmtui in a terminal.
- megous 8y agoThis. It uses dialog like interface.
- komali2 8y agoRight, but you get the idea yea? If you sat me down at the machine ten seconds ago and said "turn on the WiFi," would "run a command in terminal that doesn't have the words network, wifi, or internet in it" really be at the top of the list of things I'd try? Edit: oh, that's some sort of ui opening command?
- megous 8y agoThat's not the point of these fringe desktop environments. If you sat someone in front of custom configured i3wm, they would not have a clue how to do anything, really. The point is that the owner can have a nice customized and highly effective experience of using a computer. There's a way to configure wifi easily without an icon, with some text based menus and nmtui is one way to do it if you use NetworkManager. You don't need an icon/GUI. Also there's nm-applet, so you can have a tray icon and GUI even in these DEs.
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago>they would not have a clue how to do anything, really // Ha, used a little MacBook for essentially the first time 2 days ago, it was being used to present a slideshow (MS Powerpoint). I tried to advance beyond the end of the slide stack and it closed to the editor [terrible UX for me, IMO it should blank the screen and show a message on the laptop; maybe that's the default, wasn't my machine obvs], I was completely lost trying to scroll the slide chooser (left pane) as there was no scroll bar, and no pgup/pgdn keys, click-scroll [which works in other UI that I use] was rearranging the slides instead of scrolling. It's so easy to get lost in unfamiliar UI. We can easily adapt if we want to, however.
- keithpeter 8y agoPersonally I get along with nmtui from the command line (as user) but I appreciate the desire for a tray icon of some kind.
- bluedino 8y agoThe first few versions of OS X were more NeXT-like. They felt dated. And the column-based file browser never appealed to me. I do agree that a high-res black and white screen is so much better for text related tasks than what we had back then in PC land. 640x480x16 colors was a mess. Worked fine for things like CAD but kind of gross to type documents on.
- pavlov 8y agoI remember paying $129 for Mac OS X 10.0 and it didn't feel anything like NeXT. On a supposedly state of the art Mac G4, it ran like a lobotomized sloth mostly because of the heavy new graphics stack. The giant fonts, translucent titlebars, pinstripe patterns and "lickable" candy color buttons were the aesthetic opposite of the 2-bit original NeXT.
- kitsunesoba 8y agoWhile 10.1 did a decent job of patching up more egregious issues, 10.2 Jaguar was the first truly usable iteration of OS X, and it incidentally also brought the first bits of toning down to Aqua. A lot of folks fondly remember Snow Leopard but for me the golden era for OS X was 10.2 - 10.4. 10.5 and 10.6 were great too, but honestly speaking I wouldn’t be bothered if I had to use a modern version of 10.4 for day to day work.
- pavlov 8y agoAgreed, 10.4 Tiger was the high point. IIRC, Leopard was a bit of a disappointment. It was delayed because they moved engineers to work on the first iPhone... And that's pretty much when Mac stopped being a priority at Apple.
- geerlingguy 8y ago> And the column-based file browser never appealed to me. That's actually my favorite feature of the Finder and really the only thing I miss when using Windows sometimes. Using arrow keys + typing a letter or two to jump through dirs, and being able to see full hierarchy the whole time works really well with my mental model of the filesystem in a way the tree-based list view never does.
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- willemojnr 8y agoWow, the internet was fast back then.
- sscarduzio 8y agoI wonder how slow the actual one was
- krapp 8y agoIronically (and anecdotally) I remember pages loading much more slowly back then than now, on average. People comparing the two need to remember just how much faster and better optimized computers are now, as well as the speed of broadband versus dialup.
- wnevets 8y agoModern sites have nothing on the awful experience of browsing the web on dialup.
- c22 8y agoTry browsing a modern site on dialup.
- kgwgk 8y agoIronically? I assumed your grand-parent was joking. A top-end PC in 1990 was a 33MHz i486 with 4Mb of RAM and a 9600 bit/s modem.
- krapp 8y ago"Ironic" in that a lot of people here complain about how slow the modern web is versus the simpler purely static web of the past, when the modern web even with all the javascript BS is qualitatively faster.
- ljcn 8y agoTry (selectively) disabling javascript on the modern web.
- mattmoose21 8y agoIt took me a minute to figure out that I needed to properly type in the URL of a website.
- netsharc 8y agoFunny how for a while (back in the days) URLs in the offline world had "http://" http://" before the "www", when (IMO) "www" and ".com" at the end would have been enough to tell people that it's a website URL, and modern browsers of the day were clever enough anyway to be able to load URLs entered without the protocol. Tragically nowadays marketers have replaced the URL with (facebook logo)/(their page URL on Facebook), or just "Search for $keyword", knowing they've done enough SEO work (or paid Google/Bing enough?) to make that $keyword the 1st search/ad result. Which returns full circle to "AOL keywords"...
- sscarduzio 8y agoReally cool! The illusion broke when emoji could be rendered correctly, I think the original interface could not even render basic utf8.
- pault 8y agoI could be wrong but I remember a point in my career where using utf8 for HTML documents was a new and shiny thing.
- zerocrates 8y agoWorldWideWeb predates UTF-8 by several years.
- fareesh 8y agoThere is some kind of easter egg when you click the white circle in the footer it opens this image https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/images/wow.jpg https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/images/wow.jpg Some meme I don't know about?
- mxuribe 8y agoThat is a photo of Jeremy Keith [https://adactio.com https://adactio.com] who was part of the team involved in this effort: https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/colophon/ https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/colophon/
- jack_jennings 8y agoA bit more information about the typeface created for this project, which is open source: https://github.com/djrrb/CERN-www-fonts/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/djrrb/CERN-www-fonts/blob/master/README.m... (The type world being a small one, this design had assistance from David Jonathan Ross, the designer of the Input coding typeface)
- The_Androctonus 8y agoYour link leads to a 404.
- bovermyer 8y agoHoly crap, my website actually looks decent in this...
- drbytes 8y agosurf the web with ip 188.184.108.149, ISP CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research.. :s
- komali2 8y ago"why is Google in German?" Was my first thought
- Yhippa 8y agoI remember using newsgroups back in college. Unbelievable that we have open protocols for that type of stuff but everything seems to be trending to sovereign news sites.
- doener 8y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19206433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19206433
- MalcolmPF 8y agoAwesome. And Hacker News holds up pretty well! https://imgur.com/a/KWl3iUp https://imgur.com/a/KWl3iUp
- The_Androctonus 8y agoThe actual HTTP requests this browser makes seem to be going through a proxy somewhere which I'm guessing renders the page on the server using this legacy look and returns it to be displayed. I thought it was using ajax to load pages directly from whatever URL I typed. I'm surprised this had no support for the <ol> tag because numbered lists aren't rendering. -- Edit: yeah I just noticed how all the links on every page have the domain part changed to worldwideweb.cern.ch. But damn I can't help but remember Newton's "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." Tim BL did not invent URIs, TCP/IP, domain names, or hypertext. He simply figured out a brilliant way to combine all these things together. Satoshi Nakamoto did not invent hashing, proof-of-work, signatures, or any of the other cryptographic protocols that make Bitcoin possible. Likewise, he simply put all these different ideas together in a brilliant way.
- chelmzy 8y agoCurious if they have this server segregated from the rest of the network or you can browse other internal resources through it.
- 0xbadc0de5 8y agoGood to see they fixed the remote code execution exploit identified by: https://github.com/jtang613/dcq2018_www https://github.com/jtang613/dcq2018_www