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I've been a user of macOS for years and never seen this in HFS, much less in APFS. Someone that needs to write anything to fill his blog of a narrative of "App

I've been a user of macOS for years and never seen this in HFS, much less in APFS. Someone that needs to write anything to fill his blog of a narrative of "Apple is dying". Also, I'm 100% sure in the old days, it had an indication it was calculating the size when the number wasn't final.

giancarlostoro 8y ago
Heck I see this bug on Windows and Linux too. It's just how File Managers work in other OS' they're not perfect. If I know a directory is massive, I don't go by what the OS immediately tells me. A few TB sounds like it would take a long while to fully update, but I bet there's a time out limit.
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  > I see this bug on Windows What do you mean? The "Size" column is completely empty for directories. If you right click and open properties on a directory, it will show a size that grows four times per second, very blatantly a calculation in progress. How do you get this bug on Windows?
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    I mean the size column can be misleading sometimes while the File Manager figures itself out. Yeah Properties seems to work a little better. It's usually due to larger file sizes. Unlike the OP of the article it doesn't bother me enough, I've just seen it happen across OS' and have not had issues with it, if I need to know a file size, I have other means like the command line, of course sometimes the command line is another culprit of not showing a directory size as well. Like only showing 4 KiB for every directory at least on Ubuntu.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      > I mean the size column can be misleading sometimes while the File Manager figures itself out. On windows? How are you getting that column to not be permanently blank on directories?
      - giancarlostoro 8y ago
        I'm on Ubuntu at work and my Windows laptop's at home but there's others who've ran into what I'm talking about: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/wrong-calculation-of-folder-size-by-windows/2da61a1b-d2fd-472a-ae12-a17a4cc8f7e2 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10... Basically: You see one file size on a parent folder, and when you drill in further it changes. I'm surprised these explorers don't try to cache some of the info somehow.
        Dylan16807 8y ago
        Ah. Though that's still opening the properties dialog, which is much rarer than browsing. Also they're reporting that it only happens with full filenames over MAX_PATH, so it's a very different bug. The base idea of "show a continuously-increasing size until don't calculating" works fine
        zenexer 8y ago
        This sounds like someone doesn't understand how Windows calculates folder sizes. It will never show the size unless you look at the folder properties; and even then, there's no indication when it's done calculating. It might be obvious sometimes because the number is continuously changing, but if it hits a lot of very small files, it won't visibly change for a while. Edit: Actually, apparently there is a bug related to this in recent versions of Windows, but it's still a behavior that can happen even without a bug.
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  Currently running macOS Mojave. I've tested with a SMB share, it says "calculating" when it doesn't know the size of a directory: https://i.postimg.cc/3xn1sNC6/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-03-48.png https://i.postimg.cc/3xn1sNC6/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-03... It also shows "--" when in list view: https://i.postimg.cc/66n09YfC/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-05-00.png https://i.postimg.cc/66n09YfC/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-05...
arghwhat 8y ago
> ... never seen this in HFS, much less in APFS. I can't help myself: If you never see it on HFS, how can you see it less on APFS? :)
- hellofunk 8y ago
  It’s an expression that has nothing to do with quantity.
- culturestate 8y ago
  I'll be the other guy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/much%20less https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/much%20less American colloquialisms are fun.
  - arghwhat 8y ago
    I'll be the first guy again, quoting your link: "used especially in negative contexts to add to one item another denoting something less likely" American colloquialisms are awkward, but if you dig deep enough, you will find traces of their original meaning shining through, despite the best efforts of the people to eliminate it.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      "I've never seen it" is a low likelihood, but it's easy to go lower. Applying "less" to the likelihood of the error is perfectly reasonable. The word "less" is not being compared to "never".
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    "He had trouble paying for a car, much less a high-definition TV." Ha, someone needs to update their examples now that a "high-definition TV" is every TV and $100 gets you a brand new one.
mamcx 8y ago
I read that blog some times (checking for deals, mostly, and reviews) and it look like it. Until it start happening to me. I get the "this file is 0 bytes" bug for some time. Is fixed? I don't know! Is just that the "0 bytes" files was part of my project and the bug manifest other nasty effect... But I can't claim, right now, the bug is not here!
apple4ever 8y ago
I've been a user for years, and until APFS, I've never seen it. I see it all the time now.

giancarlostoro 8y ago

Heck I see this bug on Windows and Linux too. It's just how File Managers work in other OS' they're not perfect. If I know a directory is massive, I don't go by what the OS immediately tells me. A few TB sounds like it would take a long while to fully update, but I bet there's a time out limit.

Dylan16807 8y ago
> I see this bug on Windows What do you mean? The "Size" column is completely empty for directories. If you right click and open properties on a directory, it will show a size that grows four times per second, very blatantly a calculation in progress. How do you get this bug on Windows?
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  I mean the size column can be misleading sometimes while the File Manager figures itself out. Yeah Properties seems to work a little better. It's usually due to larger file sizes. Unlike the OP of the article it doesn't bother me enough, I've just seen it happen across OS' and have not had issues with it, if I need to know a file size, I have other means like the command line, of course sometimes the command line is another culprit of not showing a directory size as well. Like only showing 4 KiB for every directory at least on Ubuntu.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    > I mean the size column can be misleading sometimes while the File Manager figures itself out. On windows? How are you getting that column to not be permanently blank on directories?
    - giancarlostoro 8y ago
      I'm on Ubuntu at work and my Windows laptop's at home but there's others who've ran into what I'm talking about: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/wrong-calculation-of-folder-size-by-windows/2da61a1b-d2fd-472a-ae12-a17a4cc8f7e2 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10... Basically: You see one file size on a parent folder, and when you drill in further it changes. I'm surprised these explorers don't try to cache some of the info somehow.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        Ah. Though that's still opening the properties dialog, which is much rarer than browsing. Also they're reporting that it only happens with full filenames over MAX_PATH, so it's a very different bug. The base idea of "show a continuously-increasing size until don't calculating" works fine
      - zenexer 8y ago
        This sounds like someone doesn't understand how Windows calculates folder sizes. It will never show the size unless you look at the folder properties; and even then, there's no indication when it's done calculating. It might be obvious sometimes because the number is continuously changing, but if it hits a lot of very small files, it won't visibly change for a while. Edit: Actually, apparently there is a bug related to this in recent versions of Windows, but it's still a behavior that can happen even without a bug.
bunnycorn 8y ago
Currently running macOS Mojave. I've tested with a SMB share, it says "calculating" when it doesn't know the size of a directory: https://i.postimg.cc/3xn1sNC6/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-03-48.png https://i.postimg.cc/3xn1sNC6/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-03... It also shows "--" when in list view: https://i.postimg.cc/66n09YfC/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-05-00.png https://i.postimg.cc/66n09YfC/Screenshot-2019-02-25-at-08-05...

arghwhat 8y ago

> ... never seen this in HFS, much less in APFS. I can't help myself: If you never see it on HFS, how can you see it less on APFS? :)

hellofunk 8y ago
It’s an expression that has nothing to do with quantity.
culturestate 8y ago
I'll be the other guy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/much%20less https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/much%20less American colloquialisms are fun.
- arghwhat 8y ago
  I'll be the first guy again, quoting your link: "used especially in negative contexts to add to one item another denoting something less likely" American colloquialisms are awkward, but if you dig deep enough, you will find traces of their original meaning shining through, despite the best efforts of the people to eliminate it.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    "I've never seen it" is a low likelihood, but it's easy to go lower. Applying "less" to the likelihood of the error is perfectly reasonable. The word "less" is not being compared to "never".
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  "He had trouble paying for a car, much less a high-definition TV." Ha, someone needs to update their examples now that a "high-definition TV" is every TV and $100 gets you a brand new one.

mamcx 8y ago

I read that blog some times (checking for deals, mostly, and reviews) and it look like it. Until it start happening to me. I get the "this file is 0 bytes" bug for some time. Is fixed? I don't know! Is just that the "0 bytes" files was part of my project and the bug manifest other nasty effect... But I can't claim, right now, the bug is not here!

apple4ever 8y ago

I've been a user for years, and until APFS, I've never seen it. I see it all the time now.