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I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a do

I'm looking forward to the cow/pig/sheep/chicken extinction event - no one will keep them around, except maybe in zoos, if the whole world is vegan. Edit: a downvote? this is totally serious - what are they going to be - released back into the wild where they roam free? There won't be any more, except as I said in zoos, if the whole world goes vegan

amelius 8y ago
We still need milk, eggs.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  I think the assumption is that we can grow substitutes for those too?
- eurg 8y ago
  "need" is too strong a word here, especially as milk gets more expensive if you cannot sell excess meat (and not everyone wants milk from hormone-treated cows).
- gamblor956 8y ago
  Milk and eggs are not vegan.
- gnulinux 8y ago
  We do not "need" milk or eggs. If you think that's the case, we also "need" meat.
chrisseaton 8y ago
Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.
- uxcolumbo 8y ago
  Chickens, cows and pigs are overbred to have more meat etc. some of those breeds can't walk properly anymore... They are far from what their early ancestors were...
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- j605 8y ago
  They were all modified through the generations to make them a commodity. If they have no purpose, them going extinct is not a bad thing. Most of them are optimized for meat or other purposes and they probably can't survive outside. It would be humane to let them go extinct after we transition. FWIW we already wiped them off the Earth, you don't find a lot of wild cows or chickens other than the ones we have modified.
  - chrisseaton 8y ago
    > they probably can't survive outside You should come and see the sheep roaming around the mountains near me. They keep the grasslands under control, and they happily mind their own business. I don't think they need genocide.
    - bastawhiz 8y ago
      Who's going to pay to transport sheep to grassland? Who's going to rehabilitate a pig that's never been outside a cage? What do we do with cows? There's a lot of unanswered questions, and not many mountains waiting for unwanted sheep.
      - chrisseaton 8y ago
        I didn't say we should move any around. The person I was replying to said extinction as in all of them, even those minding their own business elsewhere.
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mechamicro 8y ago
Chickens will probably stick around. A German company has discovered a way to determine a chick's gender while still in the egg. That will end the cruel practice of tossing male chicks into a grinder. And will allow cruelty free eggs to be produced. As long as the hens have space, comfortable quarters, and allowed to keep living in those conditions after they stop laying. For those who are vegan for purely ethical reasons, this will allow them to have eggs.
- chadcmulligan 8y ago
  I thought most vegans are against eggs? Laying eggs is cruel to chickens I've heard (just quoting here)
  - amanaplanacanal 8y ago
    I think the argument is that half the animal are killed, because they are roosters instead of hens. In addition to whatever their living standards are.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  It's not a good idea to be confident predicting how anyone will see your ethical argument. There's a lot of things people still consider cruel left in egg production after the practices you mention change.
BurningFrog 8y ago
And that is the vast majority¹ of all living mammals: https://xkcd.com/1338/ https://xkcd.com/1338/ ¹ By weight, at least
artursapek 8y ago
You apparently have no idea how important those animals are to the health of soil (and growing good vegetables)
newnewpdro 8y ago
There will never be zero people on the planet keeping hens for eggs, you've lost your mind.
nrp 8y ago
There are robust feral populations of each of those in different parts of the world. It takes surprisingly few generations to "undo" the domestication too. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_wild_cattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_wild_cattle

amelius 8y ago

We still need milk, eggs.

saagarjha 8y ago
I think the assumption is that we can grow substitutes for those too?
eurg 8y ago
"need" is too strong a word here, especially as milk gets more expensive if you cannot sell excess meat (and not everyone wants milk from hormone-treated cows).
gamblor956 8y ago
Milk and eggs are not vegan.
gnulinux 8y ago
We do not "need" milk or eggs. If you think that's the case, we also "need" meat.

chrisseaton 8y ago

Why are you looking forward to them becoming extinct, though? What's the benefit to anyone of that? A vegan society could still keep sheep for example to keep grassland under control? Just a bit odd to look forward to an innocent species _being wiped off the face of the Earth_.

uxcolumbo 8y ago
Chickens, cows and pigs are overbred to have more meat etc. some of those breeds can't walk properly anymore... They are far from what their early ancestors were...
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j605 8y ago
They were all modified through the generations to make them a commodity. If they have no purpose, them going extinct is not a bad thing. Most of them are optimized for meat or other purposes and they probably can't survive outside. It would be humane to let them go extinct after we transition. FWIW we already wiped them off the Earth, you don't find a lot of wild cows or chickens other than the ones we have modified.
- chrisseaton 8y ago
  > they probably can't survive outside You should come and see the sheep roaming around the mountains near me. They keep the grasslands under control, and they happily mind their own business. I don't think they need genocide.
  - bastawhiz 8y ago
    Who's going to pay to transport sheep to grassland? Who's going to rehabilitate a pig that's never been outside a cage? What do we do with cows? There's a lot of unanswered questions, and not many mountains waiting for unwanted sheep.
    - chrisseaton 8y ago
      I didn't say we should move any around. The person I was replying to said extinction as in all of them, even those minding their own business elsewhere.
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mechamicro 8y ago

Chickens will probably stick around. A German company has discovered a way to determine a chick's gender while still in the egg. That will end the cruel practice of tossing male chicks into a grinder. And will allow cruelty free eggs to be produced. As long as the hens have space, comfortable quarters, and allowed to keep living in those conditions after they stop laying. For those who are vegan for purely ethical reasons, this will allow them to have eggs.

chadcmulligan 8y ago
I thought most vegans are against eggs? Laying eggs is cruel to chickens I've heard (just quoting here)
- amanaplanacanal 8y ago
  I think the argument is that half the animal are killed, because they are roosters instead of hens. In addition to whatever their living standards are.
greglindahl 8y ago
It's not a good idea to be confident predicting how anyone will see your ethical argument. There's a lot of things people still consider cruel left in egg production after the practices you mention change.

BurningFrog 8y ago

And that is the vast majority¹ of all living mammals: https://xkcd.com/1338/ https://xkcd.com/1338/ ¹ By weight, at least

artursapek 8y ago

You apparently have no idea how important those animals are to the health of soil (and growing good vegetables)

newnewpdro 8y ago

There will never be zero people on the planet keeping hens for eggs, you've lost your mind.

nrp 8y ago

There are robust feral populations of each of those in different parts of the world. It takes surprisingly few generations to "undo" the domestication too. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_wild_cattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_wild_cattle