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> but with smartphones you don't have a choice. so it's different. Exactly. Linus' point is that Arm has no real advantage in the server space to compensate f

by deng 8y ago

> but with smartphones you don't have a choice. so it's different. Exactly. Linus' point is that Arm has no real advantage in the server space to compensate for the problems with cross-development. That's completely different for smartphones, which is why Arm won that space.

pjc50 8y ago
When Apple replace Intel with ARM in their laptops, that goes away too. (See my argument elsewhere in this thread)
- pritambaral 8y ago
  The argument isn't "same instruction set". The argument is "same development & deployment environment", by the logic of which the Apple argument fails because not many people deploy to Apple servers.
  - comex 8y ago
    So you run a Linux VM, just as lots of Mac-using developers do today. But the instruction set of the VM has to match the instruction set of the host, unless you’re in the mood for slow emulation.
    - pritambaral 8y ago
      > So you run a Linux VM, just as lots of Mac-using developers do today I hear far more make do with just homebrew. > unless you’re in the mood for slow emulation I run an embedded OS (made for a quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 board) on both Real Hardware and on my ThinkPad (via systemd-nspawn & qemu-arm). I found (and confirmed via benchmarks) the latter to be much faster than the former — across all three of compute, memory, and disk access.
- mattnewport 8y ago
  Apple is a small percentage of the laptop market.
  - MBCook 8y ago
    But their market share with developers is much higher than in the general consumer market.
    - mattnewport 8y ago
      Possibly, it does seem that way for web dev at least. There's plenty of programmers out there (the majority?) not doing web dev and never touching Macs however. In a 20 year game development career I've never had cause to use a Mac for work purposes. Perhaps the share of developers using Macs as their primary development machines exceeds their 10% market share of laptops but I doubt it's a majority.

by deng 8y ago

pjc50 8y ago

When Apple replace Intel with ARM in their laptops, that goes away too. (See my argument elsewhere in this thread)

pritambaral 8y ago
The argument isn't "same instruction set". The argument is "same development & deployment environment", by the logic of which the Apple argument fails because not many people deploy to Apple servers.
- comex 8y ago
  So you run a Linux VM, just as lots of Mac-using developers do today. But the instruction set of the VM has to match the instruction set of the host, unless you’re in the mood for slow emulation.
  - pritambaral 8y ago
    > So you run a Linux VM, just as lots of Mac-using developers do today I hear far more make do with just homebrew. > unless you’re in the mood for slow emulation I run an embedded OS (made for a quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 board) on both Real Hardware and on my ThinkPad (via systemd-nspawn & qemu-arm). I found (and confirmed via benchmarks) the latter to be much faster than the former — across all three of compute, memory, and disk access.
mattnewport 8y ago
Apple is a small percentage of the laptop market.
- MBCook 8y ago
  But their market share with developers is much higher than in the general consumer market.
  - mattnewport 8y ago
    Possibly, it does seem that way for web dev at least. There's plenty of programmers out there (the majority?) not doing web dev and never touching Macs however. In a 20 year game development career I've never had cause to use a Mac for work purposes. Perhaps the share of developers using Macs as their primary development machines exceeds their 10% market share of laptops but I doubt it's a majority.