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Sorry to nitpick but the cameras in the TVs in 1984 where not hidden. They even had a speaker and the government was able to talk directly to an individual thro

Sorry to nitpick but the cameras in the TVs in 1984 where not hidden. They even had a speaker and the government was able to talk directly to an individual through them. The problem there, and here, is people don't really care.

bobthepanda 8y ago
Except people do care, as evidenced by the fact that this is even an article about a controversy in the first place.
- docker_up 8y ago
  Some journalists care. Don't conflate journalists or HN forum with the general public. Most people likely don't care at all.
  - bobthepanda 8y ago
    People is just the plural of person. Journalists are people too. A small amount of disgruntled air travelers stranded on the tarmac led to the establishment of a Passenger Bill of Rights: https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-transportation-expands-airline-passenger-protections https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-t.... So I wouldn't say that this is worthless or that this is not impactful.
    - docker_up 8y ago
      Then say "some people" if you don't want to be deceptive in what you're portraying. Just saying "people" implies that most people believe it, which is not the case.
  - JohnFen 8y ago
    > Most people likely don't care at all. I honestly don't think this is true. I think that most people don't realize the amount of surveillance they're being subjected to, and many of those that do realize it engage in a little self-deception (they aren't really watching/they dont'care/etc.) in order to be OK with it. But that's changing, and fast.
    - docker_up 8y ago
      I think most people know, and they don't care. Look at UK as an example, it's literally 1984 with people on cameras talking to pedestrians to pick up their litter. Home voice automation with non-stop voice recording is the biggest privacy intrusion, and yet it's the biggest hit in the last couple of years. I really don't think people care as much as you think. HN is not a good representation of how regular people think or feel.
      - imtringued 8y ago
        I don't think people on HN care that much either.
chiefalchemist 8y ago
Caring or not aside, the psychological and emotional "friction" from the constant din of surveillance takes it toll. Worst case, it influences your decisions / behavior to becomes less "suspect". There's no need to care, you've already been assimilated.

bobthepanda 8y ago

Except people do care, as evidenced by the fact that this is even an article about a controversy in the first place.

docker_up 8y ago
Some journalists care. Don't conflate journalists or HN forum with the general public. Most people likely don't care at all.
- bobthepanda 8y ago
  People is just the plural of person. Journalists are people too. A small amount of disgruntled air travelers stranded on the tarmac led to the establishment of a Passenger Bill of Rights: https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-transportation-expands-airline-passenger-protections https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-t.... So I wouldn't say that this is worthless or that this is not impactful.
  - docker_up 8y ago
    Then say "some people" if you don't want to be deceptive in what you're portraying. Just saying "people" implies that most people believe it, which is not the case.
- JohnFen 8y ago
  > Most people likely don't care at all. I honestly don't think this is true. I think that most people don't realize the amount of surveillance they're being subjected to, and many of those that do realize it engage in a little self-deception (they aren't really watching/they dont'care/etc.) in order to be OK with it. But that's changing, and fast.
  - docker_up 8y ago
    I think most people know, and they don't care. Look at UK as an example, it's literally 1984 with people on cameras talking to pedestrians to pick up their litter. Home voice automation with non-stop voice recording is the biggest privacy intrusion, and yet it's the biggest hit in the last couple of years. I really don't think people care as much as you think. HN is not a good representation of how regular people think or feel.
    - imtringued 8y ago
      I don't think people on HN care that much either.

chiefalchemist 8y ago

Caring or not aside, the psychological and emotional "friction" from the constant din of surveillance takes it toll. Worst case, it influences your decisions / behavior to becomes less "suspect". There's no need to care, you've already been assimilated.