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I want my ports back. I want the same ports on the iphone as on the macbook. No one cares about the damn touch bar. No one cares to have another few tenths of

I want my ports back. I want the same ports on the iphone as on the macbook. No one cares about the damn touch bar. No one cares to have another few tenths of a mm shaved off the thickness.

Tade0 8y ago
I can plug in my Galaxy S8 to the MBP via the... power cable(male-male USB-C), but can't do the same with my SO's iPhone SE. My phone came with a USB to USB-C adapter so now I can plug in the mouse as well.
- fredley 8y ago
  Yup, I have a by-now pretty trashed-up Pixel One, and when I travel I only need to take my mac power adapter and a couple of USB-C cables (although one is fine for short trips). Everything connects to everything seamlessly and charges rapidly. I'm living the one-port-to-rule-them-all dream with my ancient Google phone, and I find it weird that even current-gen iPhones still required a weird proprietary Lightning cable.
highace 8y ago
> No one cares to have another few tenths of a mm shaved off the thickness. Apple's marketing department cares.
- chrisseaton 8y ago
  And why do you think they care? I bet they've done a lot of extremely careful market analysis and are pretty certain it's an important factor for consumers.
JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> No one cares to have another few tenths of a mm shaved off the thickness I do. (To be fair, it's why I use a MacBook Air.) Apple's R&D department also does. Miniaturization is still a trend. By pushing the envelope on the iPhone they were well positioned for watches.
- ascii_only 8y ago
  Did you skip latest iPhones because previous generations are thinner?
- neonhomer 8y ago
  That's a good example though: they should have the Air focus on thinness and portability. But have the Pro focus on a workstation-like setup.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    Very true. They should have pushed the limits of portability with the Air and then moved the Pro in the other direction in terms of speed and versatility. I don't even understand what the MacBook (not Air, not Pro) does in the middle.
    - uptownJimmy 8y ago
      One of the three is bound to disappear from their product lineup soon, right?
  - davnicwil 8y ago
    What about people who want a workstation-like setup and also portability? The technology is there to allow us to have both without too much compromise either way. That's great! Yes, there are a minority of people who want to fully optimise for one at the expense of the other, but Apple are serving the majority of the market, and the majority of market wants both in one machine, compromises included.
    - marcinzm 8y ago
      >The technology is there to allow us to have both without too much compromise either way. That's great! Except it's not there, there are compromises, mainly around durability and repair costs. In my experience modern macs laptops are more fragile than older ones and cost a lot of money to fix when they break. Sometimes they break due to design compromises and even more design compromises up the repair cost through the roof (see complaints about the display cable for an example).
linkmotif 8y ago
I don’t! I love the new form factor, the new keyboard, and I don’t need ports I use once a month, if ever, to create clutter on my machine. Those few MMs are huge savings. I love the new style pro. Looking forward to a bigger model and especially LOWER PRICES, which they’ll hopefully do. The prices are a bit outrageous and dont signal an intent to movie inventory, which hopefully now will change that the iPhone is stumbling. Though, maybe not, since the iPhone may recover.
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- JTTR 8y ago
  Is there any particular reason you use a Pro as opposed to an Air?
  - linkmotif 8y ago
    Much more power. I used an Air, on principle, for way too long. A very old Air at that. It was stupid of me. I got a beefy late-2015 MPB, the last model with the ports, and it was life changing. I then tried a 2016 (I think) new style MBP and it was even better. It was as light as my old air, but with the MBP specs. Liked it, but it was just a loaner so I had to return it.
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tokyodude 8y ago
I don't need it thinner but I do need it lighter. LG makes a 17" that weighs 2.95bs. Their 15" weighs 2.4lbs and their 13.1 inch at 2.1lbs. Those effectively put Apple's Macbook/Macbook Air/Macbook Pro lines to shame. Of course I don't personally want to run Windows but damit Apple used to gloat at how light their laptops were. They are no longer competitively light.
CedarHill 8y ago
To be fair, I have both 2018 MBP 15 (work) and 2015 MBP (home), I notice the weight of the 2015 a lot. Performance has been relatively the same - hasn't been mind blowing if I'm honest. I really do hate the new keyboard to the point where I simply don't do any dev work until I plug in my dongle with my screen/keyboard. It's really that bad. The touch bar has been useless as well and more of an announce sometimes, especially when it would freeze randomly.
chemmail 8y ago
Yeah, i was eying the Lenovo Yoga s940 but it has 3x USB C vs the 2X USBC and a USB A in the older c930. Might just get the older one because of that.

I want my ports back. I want the same ports on the iphone as on the macbook. No one cares about the damn touch bar. No one cares to have another few tenths of a mm shaved off the thickness.

Tade0 8y ago

I can plug in my Galaxy S8 to the MBP via the... power cable(male-male USB-C), but can't do the same with my SO's iPhone SE. My phone came with a USB to USB-C adapter so now I can plug in the mouse as well.

fredley 8y ago
Yup, I have a by-now pretty trashed-up Pixel One, and when I travel I only need to take my mac power adapter and a couple of USB-C cables (although one is fine for short trips). Everything connects to everything seamlessly and charges rapidly. I'm living the one-port-to-rule-them-all dream with my ancient Google phone, and I find it weird that even current-gen iPhones still required a weird proprietary Lightning cable.

highace 8y ago

> No one cares to have another few tenths of a mm shaved off the thickness. Apple's marketing department cares.

chrisseaton 8y ago
And why do you think they care? I bet they've done a lot of extremely careful market analysis and are pretty certain it's an important factor for consumers.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

> No one cares to have another few tenths of a mm shaved off the thickness I do. (To be fair, it's why I use a MacBook Air.) Apple's R&D department also does. Miniaturization is still a trend. By pushing the envelope on the iPhone they were well positioned for watches.

ascii_only 8y ago
Did you skip latest iPhones because previous generations are thinner?
neonhomer 8y ago
That's a good example though: they should have the Air focus on thinness and portability. But have the Pro focus on a workstation-like setup.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  Very true. They should have pushed the limits of portability with the Air and then moved the Pro in the other direction in terms of speed and versatility. I don't even understand what the MacBook (not Air, not Pro) does in the middle.
  - uptownJimmy 8y ago
    One of the three is bound to disappear from their product lineup soon, right?
- davnicwil 8y ago
  What about people who want a workstation-like setup and also portability? The technology is there to allow us to have both without too much compromise either way. That's great! Yes, there are a minority of people who want to fully optimise for one at the expense of the other, but Apple are serving the majority of the market, and the majority of market wants both in one machine, compromises included.
  - marcinzm 8y ago
    >The technology is there to allow us to have both without too much compromise either way. That's great! Except it's not there, there are compromises, mainly around durability and repair costs. In my experience modern macs laptops are more fragile than older ones and cost a lot of money to fix when they break. Sometimes they break due to design compromises and even more design compromises up the repair cost through the roof (see complaints about the display cable for an example).

linkmotif 8y ago

I don’t! I love the new form factor, the new keyboard, and I don’t need ports I use once a month, if ever, to create clutter on my machine. Those few MMs are huge savings. I love the new style pro. Looking forward to a bigger model and especially LOWER PRICES, which they’ll hopefully do. The prices are a bit outrageous and dont signal an intent to movie inventory, which hopefully now will change that the iPhone is stumbling. Though, maybe not, since the iPhone may recover.

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JTTR 8y ago
Is there any particular reason you use a Pro as opposed to an Air?
- linkmotif 8y ago
  Much more power. I used an Air, on principle, for way too long. A very old Air at that. It was stupid of me. I got a beefy late-2015 MPB, the last model with the ports, and it was life changing. I then tried a 2016 (I think) new style MBP and it was even better. It was as light as my old air, but with the MBP specs. Liked it, but it was just a loaner so I had to return it.

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tokyodude 8y ago

I don't need it thinner but I do need it lighter. LG makes a 17" that weighs 2.95bs. Their 15" weighs 2.4lbs and their 13.1 inch at 2.1lbs. Those effectively put Apple's Macbook/Macbook Air/Macbook Pro lines to shame. Of course I don't personally want to run Windows but damit Apple used to gloat at how light their laptops were. They are no longer competitively light.

CedarHill 8y ago

To be fair, I have both 2018 MBP 15 (work) and 2015 MBP (home), I notice the weight of the 2015 a lot. Performance has been relatively the same - hasn't been mind blowing if I'm honest. I really do hate the new keyboard to the point where I simply don't do any dev work until I plug in my dongle with my screen/keyboard. It's really that bad. The touch bar has been useless as well and more of an announce sometimes, especially when it would freeze randomly.

chemmail 8y ago

Yeah, i was eying the Lenovo Yoga s940 but it has 3x USB C vs the 2X USBC and a USB A in the older c930. Might just get the older one because of that.