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"the year is 2095 and it's my first day in 6th grade. Miss Mable is handing out our steroid candies so we will grow big and strong then have a 'bank' of muscle

"the year is 2095 and it's my first day in 6th grade. Miss Mable is handing out our steroid candies so we will grow big and strong then have a 'bank' of muscle memory to rely on in our secondary and tertiary life stages."

gameswithgo 8y ago
i hope in 2095 we have more targeted ways to do that.
- LeonB 8y ago
  A lot of progress was slowed by 50 years of mind-warfare.
- crooked-v 8y ago
  Look up Emsculpt. It's a fascinating/creepy new device that artificially stimulates core muscular contractions, with visibly more exercised and defined muscles after a few sessions with no changes in lifestyle.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    One of the benefits of lifting heavy things repeatedly over time is increased bone density. Do we know if devices like Emsculpt work to improve bone density? I don't know how the cell-signalling cascade works for putting more calcium-mineral matrix in bones so maybe muscle contraction repetition initiates the cascade, or maybe it's insufficient by itself? Full range of movement training also works to shift lymph back toward the left subclavian vein where it joins venous circulation.[1] The lymphatic system is the primary cellular waste product transport system, and an immune organ in it's own right. From what I read about the place this is a significantly understated feature of exercise and plays a key role in the idea that bed rest is massively counter productive in convalescences and post surgery recovery / outcomes. 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subclavian_vein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subclavian_vein
    - ovi256 8y ago
      The mechanism you'll find described in the literature for increasing bone density is through heavy stress (compression) on bones. Your muscles aren't positioned to compress like that anyway. Only heavy weights can. The stress very lightly damages the bone matrix, which is then repaired to above the previous strength.
      - matwood 8y ago
        Correct. Boxers encourage this to happen in their knuckles through things like knuckle pushups. Muy Thai fighters will 'roll' their shins with a bar to cause the same light bone damage.
  - codingdave 8y ago
    TENS units have been around for decades. Every once in a while someone tries to turn it into an exercise machine, but this is mostly marketing, not anything new.
    - crooked-v 8y ago
      This thing is more like a modified MRI machine than a TENS device, which part of the fascinating/creepy quality for me. It's something like orders of magnitude more powerful than TENS.
      - OvidNaso 8y ago
        It's a pulsed electromagnetic device (PEMF) and they have also been around quite ahile. While they've been show to aid bone growth and they probably help recovery in some other, subtle, ways...EMSculpt is classic snakeoil bullshit.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    I use my motor neurons to electrically stimulate muscle contraction and it doesn't cost me anything. I mean come on... the wires are already hooked up right in to your brain...
    - EamonnMR 8y ago
      But it requires discipline, while attaching wires to yourself does not.
      - janekm 8y ago
        As many people who bought previous muscle stimulation "as seen on tv" devices bought, it certainly does still require discipline to shock your muscles for an hour or so daily ;)
        sundvor 8y ago
        I'm going to argue that it would be easier to just go and squat out those 5x5s. The size of the squat rack is another issue however.
        SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        Also if your diet is shit and your gut hangs out over the top of your trousers electrically stimulating your abs isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference aesthetically. At least by actually lifting you're also burning calories.
        yorwba 8y ago
        Electrically stimulating your abs also burns calories. Using your muscles requires energy, no matter whether they're activated artificially or not.
    - norswap 8y ago
      The device reportedly causes 20.000 contractions in 30 minutes. And apparently, it's not only volume but also intensity that does the trick. Good luck doing this with you brain, professor.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Do we know if intense weight training combined with cardio workout during childhood and adolescence works to build a life time of improved musculoskeletal outcomes? Has anyone done a longitudinal study in this area?
  - z3t4 8y ago
    The strength (and cardio) gains you make as a child will stay. But if you stop training they will go away. But when you however start training again you will have faster gains due to prior training. It all depends on how much you train during your life. While you are the strongest around 30 years old, you will keep most of it until 60 years old if you keep on training. While there are definitely advantages to have been training as a child, I don't think it will be significant when you are 40-50, it will more depend on how active you are during your life. And it's really never too late to start training.
RandomInteger4 8y ago
Steroids are not recommended in boys still going through puberty. The surge in testosterone from the puberty itself is enough to provide this effect, because you take advantage of peak test production to produce more muscular nuclei. This is probably also why my chest is overdeveloped compared to my back, because I was doing hundreds of pushups back then while neglected any sense of balance sadly.
- jjeaff 8y ago
  This is also evidenced in the endless submissions to r/fitness on Reddit where 17-19 year olds post their before and after pics bragging about how they didn't use any steroids and when asked about diet, they "just tried to eat healthy". Puberty releases all natural steroids.
  - cc81 8y ago
    Yeah, that is true but also note that a lot of people in that age DO use steroids but no one admits it. The whole fitness industry is built on people on steroids trying sell others that they are not on steroids. Except heavy weight bodybuilding of course where it is too obvious.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      Also "vegan" bodybuilders who made all their gains while they were still meat eaters.
    - ehnto 8y ago
      It's a shame all the supplement brands use heavy weight bodybuilders as their mascots, because if there were any discipline where supplements alone just won't cut it, it's for anyone aspiring to be Mr Olympia. The vast majority of people could get away with real food and regular training to reach their actual fitness goals; not many people want to be as big as Ronnie Coleman. But if you do want to be a competitive bodybuilder in America, you're going to need more than supplements. The fitness industry also did a great job of convincing people that supplements are the cause of, not an aid, to muscle growth. I was in the ER once for a broken finger, and the poor kid next to me had been to the ER twice that month for stomach pains, and it turned out he had been sitting at his computer slamming down 10 protein shakes a day and doing nothing else. Just one of many similar anecdotes from when I worked in the industry.

gameswithgo 8y ago

i hope in 2095 we have more targeted ways to do that.

LeonB 8y ago
A lot of progress was slowed by 50 years of mind-warfare.
crooked-v 8y ago
Look up Emsculpt. It's a fascinating/creepy new device that artificially stimulates core muscular contractions, with visibly more exercised and defined muscles after a few sessions with no changes in lifestyle.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  One of the benefits of lifting heavy things repeatedly over time is increased bone density. Do we know if devices like Emsculpt work to improve bone density? I don't know how the cell-signalling cascade works for putting more calcium-mineral matrix in bones so maybe muscle contraction repetition initiates the cascade, or maybe it's insufficient by itself? Full range of movement training also works to shift lymph back toward the left subclavian vein where it joins venous circulation.[1] The lymphatic system is the primary cellular waste product transport system, and an immune organ in it's own right. From what I read about the place this is a significantly understated feature of exercise and plays a key role in the idea that bed rest is massively counter productive in convalescences and post surgery recovery / outcomes. 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subclavian_vein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subclavian_vein
  - ovi256 8y ago
    The mechanism you'll find described in the literature for increasing bone density is through heavy stress (compression) on bones. Your muscles aren't positioned to compress like that anyway. Only heavy weights can. The stress very lightly damages the bone matrix, which is then repaired to above the previous strength.
    - matwood 8y ago
      Correct. Boxers encourage this to happen in their knuckles through things like knuckle pushups. Muy Thai fighters will 'roll' their shins with a bar to cause the same light bone damage.
- codingdave 8y ago
  TENS units have been around for decades. Every once in a while someone tries to turn it into an exercise machine, but this is mostly marketing, not anything new.
  - crooked-v 8y ago
    This thing is more like a modified MRI machine than a TENS device, which part of the fascinating/creepy quality for me. It's something like orders of magnitude more powerful than TENS.
    - OvidNaso 8y ago
      It's a pulsed electromagnetic device (PEMF) and they have also been around quite ahile. While they've been show to aid bone growth and they probably help recovery in some other, subtle, ways...EMSculpt is classic snakeoil bullshit.
- whatshisface 8y ago
  I use my motor neurons to electrically stimulate muscle contraction and it doesn't cost me anything. I mean come on... the wires are already hooked up right in to your brain...
  - EamonnMR 8y ago
    But it requires discipline, while attaching wires to yourself does not.
    - janekm 8y ago
      As many people who bought previous muscle stimulation "as seen on tv" devices bought, it certainly does still require discipline to shock your muscles for an hour or so daily ;)
      - sundvor 8y ago
        I'm going to argue that it would be easier to just go and squat out those 5x5s. The size of the squat rack is another issue however.
        SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        Also if your diet is shit and your gut hangs out over the top of your trousers electrically stimulating your abs isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference aesthetically. At least by actually lifting you're also burning calories.
        yorwba 8y ago
        Electrically stimulating your abs also burns calories. Using your muscles requires energy, no matter whether they're activated artificially or not.
  - norswap 8y ago
    The device reportedly causes 20.000 contractions in 30 minutes. And apparently, it's not only volume but also intensity that does the trick. Good luck doing this with you brain, professor.
TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Do we know if intense weight training combined with cardio workout during childhood and adolescence works to build a life time of improved musculoskeletal outcomes? Has anyone done a longitudinal study in this area?
- z3t4 8y ago
  The strength (and cardio) gains you make as a child will stay. But if you stop training they will go away. But when you however start training again you will have faster gains due to prior training. It all depends on how much you train during your life. While you are the strongest around 30 years old, you will keep most of it until 60 years old if you keep on training. While there are definitely advantages to have been training as a child, I don't think it will be significant when you are 40-50, it will more depend on how active you are during your life. And it's really never too late to start training.

RandomInteger4 8y ago

Steroids are not recommended in boys still going through puberty. The surge in testosterone from the puberty itself is enough to provide this effect, because you take advantage of peak test production to produce more muscular nuclei. This is probably also why my chest is overdeveloped compared to my back, because I was doing hundreds of pushups back then while neglected any sense of balance sadly.

jjeaff 8y ago
This is also evidenced in the endless submissions to r/fitness on Reddit where 17-19 year olds post their before and after pics bragging about how they didn't use any steroids and when asked about diet, they "just tried to eat healthy". Puberty releases all natural steroids.
- cc81 8y ago
  Yeah, that is true but also note that a lot of people in that age DO use steroids but no one admits it. The whole fitness industry is built on people on steroids trying sell others that they are not on steroids. Except heavy weight bodybuilding of course where it is too obvious.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    Also "vegan" bodybuilders who made all their gains while they were still meat eaters.
  - ehnto 8y ago
    It's a shame all the supplement brands use heavy weight bodybuilders as their mascots, because if there were any discipline where supplements alone just won't cut it, it's for anyone aspiring to be Mr Olympia. The vast majority of people could get away with real food and regular training to reach their actual fitness goals; not many people want to be as big as Ronnie Coleman. But if you do want to be a competitive bodybuilder in America, you're going to need more than supplements. The fitness industry also did a great job of convincing people that supplements are the cause of, not an aid, to muscle growth. I was in the ER once for a broken finger, and the poor kid next to me had been to the ER twice that month for stomach pains, and it turned out he had been sitting at his computer slamming down 10 protein shakes a day and doing nothing else. Just one of many similar anecdotes from when I worked in the industry.